LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA

Tuesday, October 25, 2022


The House met at 10 a.m.

Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom and know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen.

      We acknowl­edge we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline and Nehethowuk nations. We acknowl­edge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis. We acknowl­edge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed to working in part­ner­ship with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, recon­ciliation and col­lab­o­ration.

      Good morning, everybody. Please be seated.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Speaker's Statement

Madam Speaker: I have a statement for the House.

      I'm advising the House that I have received letters from the Official Opposition House Leader (Ms. Fontaine) and the honourable member for River Heights (Mr. Gerrard) regarding selected bills for this session. As a reminder to the House, rule 25 permits each recognized party to select up to three private members' bills per session, and each in­de­pen­dent member one private member's bill per session, to proceed to a second reading vote.

      The Official Opposition House Leader has advised that her caucus has selected Bill 241, The Drivers and Vehicles Amendment Act (Licence Plates for MMIWG2S Awareness), as their third selected bill for this session. In accordance with the Official Opposition House Leader's letter, this bill will be considered on Thursday, October 27, 2022 as follows: Debate at second reading will begin at 10 a.m.; ques­tion put on the second reading motion at 10:55 a.m.

      The honourable member for River Heights has advised that he has chosen Bill 201, The Regional Health Authorities Amendment Act, as his selected bill for this session, as per rule 25. In accordance, the member's letter, this bill will be considered on Tuesday, November 1st as follows: Debate at second reading will begin at 10:30; question put on the second reading motion at 10:55 a.m.

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Madam Speaker: Orders of the day, private members' busi­ness.

Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Government House Leader): Good morning, Madam Speaker. On House busi­ness, I have a couple of leave requests.

      Just contextually before I enter those leave requests, I want to thank the member–hon­our­able member for St. Johns, hon­our­able member for River Heights' discussions yesterday on the two issues: one is, after some further discussion with the Iranian com­mu­nity, a slightly different private mem­ber's reso­lu­tion for the 11 o'clock hour is being proposed. And secondly, while yesterday was an im­por­tant day, it wasn't actually a sitting day, and so that caused some timing issues with intro­ductions of bills.

      So, those are the contexts that I've shared with my friends, the op­posi­tion House leaders.

      So first, could you please canvass the House for leave to allow debate on a revised version of PMR 25, Calling on the Federal Gov­ern­ment to Stand in Unity with the Manitoba Legislature and Support Religious Freedom, which was previously announced for debate this morning at 11 a.m. and is listed on the Order Paper?

      If leave is granted, I can provide copies of the updated version for members and I would note that the title of the revised version is Calling on the Federal Gov­ern­ment to Stand in Unity with the Manitoba Legislature and Support Human Rights of Iranian Protesters.

Madam Speaker: Is there leave to allow debate on a revised version of PMR 25, Calling on the Federal Gov­ern­ment to Stand in Unity with the Manitoba Legislature and Support Religious Freedom, which was previously announced for debate this morning at 11:00 and is listed on the Order Paper?

      Is there leave? [Agreed]

      Leave has been granted and copies of the updated wording will be provided for members.

Mr. Goertzen: I thank the House for that. I can table copies of the updated private member's reso­lu­tion. [interjection] I'm advised by the Clerk it doesn't need to be tabled, but I certainly did provide copies yesterday to the House leaders so they are aware of that.

      Second, could you then please canvass the House for leave to allow debate this morning at concurrence and third reading of bills 233 and 237, despite the fact that they are not yet on the Order Paper?

Madam Speaker: Is there leave to allow debate this morning at concurrence and third reading of bills 233 and 237 despite the fact that they are not yet on the Order Paper?

      Is there leave? [Agreed]

Mr. Goertzen: Again, thank you to members of the House.

      So, could you please call the following bills for debate at concurrence and third reading in this order: Bill 240 will be considered from 10 a.m., or from now 'til 10:20; Bill 237 will be considered from 10:20 to 10:40, or as soon as Bill 240 is completed; and Bill 233 will be considered from 10:40 'til 11:00, or as soon as Bill 237 is completed.

Madam Speaker: So, it has been announced that the following bills will be debated at concurrence and third reading this morning in this order: Bill 240 will be considered from 10:00 to 10:20; Bill 237 will be considered from 10:20 to 10:40, or as soon as Bill 240 is completed; and Bill 233 will be considered from 10:40 to 11:00, or as soon as Bill 237 is completed.

Concurrence and Third Readings–Public Bills

Bill 240–The Jewish Heritage Month Act

Madam Speaker: I will therefore call concurrence and third reading on Bill 240, The Jewish Heritage Month Act.

Mr. Ron Schuler (Springfield-Ritchot): Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the MLA for Rossmere, that Bill 240, The Jewish Heritage Month Act, be reported from the Standing Com­mit­tee on Social and Economic Dev­elop­ment, be concurred in and be now read for a third time and passed.

Motion presented.

Mr. Schuler: Good morning to everyone. Bill 240, The Jewish Heritage Month Act, is a bill that I'm very proud to be sponsoring. I am personally a strong supporter of the Jewish com­mu­nity and the state of Israel.

      So, I first of all want to start by thanking all members of this Legislature for supporting this bill on a unanimous basis. And isn't it timely that yesterday, we saw sworn in the first Jewish lieutenant 'govvery'–governor in the history of Manitoba.

      Now, it just happens that it 'concides' with today that Her Honour Anita Neville was sworn in yesterday as our Lieutenant Governor, and what a beautiful ceremony that was. I know that we were all moved by it, it was just very regal and it was just beautifully done. The entire service was just amazing.

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      This bill recognizes the Jewish com­mu­nity. It recognizes their con­tri­bu­tions in making Manitoba a better place to live. And for many of us who've been here for years–and we've been part of Yom Hashoah which takes place here at the Legislature and, outside of COVID, was always a integral part of our session–we know how much the Jewish people have struggled over the years; the persecution is second to none. It seems to be that when countries go into difficult times, one of the first things they do is they turn on their Jewish popu­la­tion.

      And the Jewish com­mu­nities have to struggle much over the years. In fact, her honour spoke to us a little bit about the challenges she had, and her family had. And she talked about coming out of what used–what was then not Belarus but Bessarabia I think she said, which is now a part of the Soviet Union and was part of the Ukraine, where her family came from. And the kinds of programs that they were fleeing, that there was systematic annihilation of individuals of Jewish faith.

      So, we believe that this is im­por­tant. This is some­thing that the com­mu­nity has supported and we are very proud, and we are very sup­port­ive of the Jewish com­mu­nity. And any time that we have the op­por­tun­ity to, we–less so in the last two and a half years because of COVID, but going forward we know that we will continue to go to Folklorama and all the other activities that they have in the Jewish com­mu­nity, and be able to celebrate with them.

      We really do think that this bill is timely and, Madam Speaker, I would conclude by saying let's move Bill 240 on for royal assent and wouldn't it be nice if we could do it on a unanimous basis.

      Those few comments, I thank the House for their support.

Madam Speaker: I have on my list the hon­our­able member for Wolseley.

Ms. Lisa Naylor (Wolseley): Today is a wonderful op­por­tun­ity to review the story of the Jewish Manitoban ex­per­ience and recog­nize the con­tri­bu­tions that Jews have made to our province. And we also take this as an op­por­tun­ity to reiterate the Manitoba NDP's commit­ment to fight anti-Semitism. We encourage and support the Jewish com­mu­nity as they continue to practice their faith, and culture in this province.

      The first Jews to settle permanently in Manitoba did so in 1877, and soon esta­blished them­selves in farming com­mu­nities and as railroad workers. By 1881 there were 33 Jewish families in Manitoba. By the early 1900s, 9,000 Jews lived in Manitoba, mostly in the North End of Winnipeg.

      And many Jews were involved in the labour movement of the 'earlieth'–early 20th century and helped to organize the Winnipeg General Strike. One of these Jews was Abraham Heaps, who was one of the leaders of the Winnipeg General Strike and elected to parliament for Winnipeg North in 1925, where he served until 1940.

      He used his position in the minority gov­ern­ment that followed him from the 1925 election to push for Canada's first old age pension, was a founding member of the Co‑operative Commonwealth Federation and pushed the Liberal gov­ern­ment under Mackenzie King to allow Jewish refugees from the Nazis into Canada.

      Joe Zuken was another prominent left-wing civic politician who served for many decades after having taken the political torch from previous civic politician Jacob Penner.

      And the tradition of political activism by the Jewish com­mu­nity continued. Many prominent prov­incial politicians were from the Jewish com­mu­nity, including Saul Miller, Saul Cherniack and Sidney Green, all Cabinet ministers in the Schreyer gov­ern­ment; Roland Penner in the gov­ern­ment of Howard Pawley; Sidney Spivik, a former head of the PC party of Manitoba; and Israel Asper, former head of the prov­incial Liberal party.

      Another political activist that I want to take the op­por­tun­ity to recog­nize today was my dear friend Karen Luks. Karen actually died of ALS on January 25th, 2008, but she was a proud Jew. She intro­duced my daughter to traditional foods, actually the very first time she ever ate solid food so that's a fun memory in our family.

      But Karen was a long-time political activist, and was a long-time employee of the Winnipeg's Morgentaler Clinic, and just such a role model for feminist leadership in this province.

      I also want to take this op­por­tun­ity to offer my personal con­gratu­la­tions to her hon­our­able Anita Neville, who was sworn in yesterday as Manitoba's 26th Lieutenant Gov­ern­ment, but also making history by being the first Jew to serve in this role in Canada.

      As everywhere else in Canada, Jews faced anti-Semitism in Manitoba. Many com­mu­nities excluded Jews. We know that Jews were often restricted from buying cottages or beachfront property, even restricted from going to beaches. Jews were excluded from various golf and curling clubs, and from settling in specific neighbourhoods through­out Winnipeg.

      In the '30s and '40s, the Uni­ver­sity of Manitoba had an unofficial quota system limiting the number of Jews who can apply for programs like medicine. And on an on. I don't want to cause harm to any­one listening to this by reiterating the amount of anti‑Semitism that did, in fact, exist in Manitoba historically in a very systemic way. But we also know that anti-Semitism sadly continues today in a less systemic way, but sometimes in a more personal or less obvious way.

      One resource to learn about the history of the Jewish com­mu­nity in Winnipeg is the Jews of Winnipeg, produced by the National Film Board in the 1970s and available for viewing online. It gives a general overview of Jewish history up to the '70s, but also provides an in-depth view as to how the Jewish com­mu­nity in Manitoba saw them­selves in–at that time.

      It highlights the nightly program, the Jewish Hour on channel 9, in which Noah Witman would provide, quote, local gossip and news in Yiddish, followed by Hebrew folk songs.

      By 1970, Winnipeg was being referred to as the Jerusalem of Canada. But even with increased standing, one Jewish Winnipegger lamented that no matter what he did, he would always feel like a foreigner. The popu­la­tion of Jews in Manitoba reached its zenith in the early 1970s, when approxi­mately 19 to 20 thousand Jews called Manitoba home. And since that time, the number of Jews in Manitoba has slightly declined. But we still enjoy and ap­pre­ciate a strong popu­la­tion of Jews living in this province.

      I want to–I'm going to basically leave it there; I don't–I know that we support this bill, and just wanted to take the op­por­tun­ity to put a few words on the record to ap­pre­ciate the Jews in my life, to ap­pre­ciate the Jews that have helped to build this province and parti­cularly those who have served in public office and who have served in the labour movement.

      Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, on this bill to recog­nize Jewish heritage month, it's im­por­tant to begin by noting that we are, in this Chamber, writing history as we did yesterday with Anita Neville becoming the first person of Jewish back­ground to be Lieutenant Governor in the province that we live in.

      Her ap­point­ment was based on exceptional ex­per­ience that she has had in school trustee, as a Member of Parliament, in her efforts to advance the rights of women, to advance edu­ca­tion and to advance recon­ciliation. So I con­gratu­late, formally, the hon­our­able Anita Neville for becoming Lieutenant Governor and recog­nize today that this is part of the Jewish heritage that we are now going to be recog­nizing.

      We can learn much from the history and the teachings which are part of the Jewish tradition. We must recog­nize that here in Manitoba, thanks to the leadership of prominent members of our Jewish com­mu­nity, Israel Asper and Gail Asper, we have the Museum for Human Rights. And it has an im­por­tant role and does docu­ment what happened during the Holocaust, and it is some­thing that we all need to remember, to make sure that genocides like that don't happen again.

      It is in that tradition–

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Madam Speaker: Order, please. As indicated earlier and agreed by the House, the comments on this bill are to be concluded at 10:20.

      And I will now put the question: The question before the House is concurrence and third reading of Bill 240, The Jewish Heritage Month Act.

      Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed]

      I declare the motion carried.

Bill 237–The Drivers and Vehicles Amendment Act
(Poppy Number Plates)

Madam Speaker: I will now call concurrence and third reading of Bill 237, The Drivers and Vehicles Amend­ment Act (Poppy Number Plates).

Mr. Len Isleifson (Brandon East): I move, seconded by the member from Dauphin, that Bill 237, The Drivers and Vehicles Amend­ment Act (Poppy Number Plates), reported from the Standing Com­mit­tee on Social and Economic Dev­elop­ment, be con­curred in and be now read for a third time and passed.

Motion presented.

Mr. Isleifson: It's always a pleasure when you can bring bills forward into the House that come right from the com­mu­nity to really show that all of us in this House work for our con­stit­uents. And that's where this bill came from was from a con­stit­uent who wanted to move this bill forward.

      And so in con­sul­ta­tions that I held for quite some time with a 'nuvver' of organi­zations, one of them was the Brandon–Royal Canadian Legion Brandon Branch No. 3. And during our public pre­sen­ta­tion, public con­sul­ta­tion that we held, I believe it was on October 12th, which provided some misfortune for the Legion where they were unable to attend in person or online to present to the com­mit­tee.

      I have been asked by the Royal Canadian Legion Branch No. 3 if I could read their submission during my third reading and I will table this as well. I'm not sure if that's necessary if I'm reading it, but I will table it, Madam Speaker, because she does use my name in it which I will not be reading as per rules of the House.

      But I will start off. It is–says good evening, thank you for allowing me the privilege of speaking before the House on this evening of October 12th, 2022. My name is Linda Wakefield. Currently, I am the second vice‑president of the Royal Canadian Legion Brandon Branch No. 3.

      On behalf of our president, Fred Pritchard, and executive, I would like to thank our MLA Brandon East–and then she mentions my name–for presenting Bill 237, Drivers and Vehicles Amend­ment Act (Poppy Number Plates).

      As members of the Royal Canadian Legion, our mission is to serve veterans, including serving mil­itary and RCMP members and their families to promote remembrance and to serve our com­mu­nities and our country. We are encouraged by the pre­sen­ta­tion of this bill and with its passage would ensure that retired RCMP members may be able to proudly display the veterans plates on their vehicles.

      And we at Royal Canadian branch–Brandon Branch No. 3 fully support and hope that this Bill 237 will move forward with royal consent. I thank you all for your time.

      So, with support, I won't take a long time here this morning; we have debated this bill before. But I do want to just, again, thank everybody for all their input over the course of presenting this idea to a number of Manitobans and Canadians, as I did reach outside the province in Ottawa as well.

      I want to thank them for their input, for their support and I parti­cularly want to thank all military and RCMP members currently serving and past serving. I want to thank them for their dedi­cation and their support to all of us here in Manitoba.

      Thank you very much.

Mr. Mintu Sandhu (The Maples): It's my honour to put a few comments on Bill 237, The Drivers and Vehicles Amend­ment Act (Poppy Number Plates). I'd like to thank the member from Brandon East for bringing forward a very im­por­tant bill.

      And as he mentioned that there–people have from his con­stit­uency were asking for this kind of bill to be brought forward and this is why we are here raising our con­stit­uency's concerns and bringing those good ideas to this Legislature, and to debate and to pass those bills too.

      This bill amends The Drivers and Vehicles Act to allow hon­our­able serving or discharged members of the royal Canadian forces and former members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police force to have licence plates with the red poppy and Canadian flag to them.

      The NDP believe that we have the respon­si­bility to remind ourselves and all Manitobans of the im­por­tant sacrifice that those who have served have made for our countries. And we are committed to always supporting our veterans. The military has played an im­por­tant role, past and present, in Manitoba, and we continue to support and honour our veterans and current members of the Armed Forces.

      We owe a tre­men­dous debt of gratitude to our veterans for the sacrifice they have made in defending Canada around the world in wars and peacekeeping missions. Our veterans have fought for our rights and freedoms, sometimes in cost of their own lives. We have shared respon­si­bilities, gov­ern­ment, schools and parents alike, to continuously remind ourselves and our children of their sacrifice.

      This bill is one of the–one im­por­tant way that we can make sure veterans in Manitoba are honoured.

      Madam Speaker, I'd like high­light a few of the im­por­tant–that NDP had done for veterans in the past. In 2012, the NDP gov­ern­ment passed a bill that proclaimed November 5th to 11th as Remembrance Day Awareness Week, and required schools to hold Remembrance Day events on the last school day before Remembrance Day.

      In 2012, we also signed a memorandum of under­standing to strengthen economic, cultural and historical ties with the Lower Normandy, the region where so many of our veterans fought during D-Day in 1944. We also designated the Trans-Canada Highway west of Winnipeg as the Highway of Heroes, in remember of–remembrance of those who have bravely served.

      Madam Speaker, in 2011 our gov­ern­ment announced $200,000 in a new funding for the Military Family Resource Centre child-care centre located in St. James. To give back to military families in recognizing of their unique job require­ments and honouring–honour of their dedi­cated service, we first created a special envoy for military affairs in Manitoba. This position supports and works with the military com­mu­nity in the province on issues of importance.

      So with this, miss–Madam Speaker, we are very, very happy to support this bill, and thank you.

Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, it is an honour to stand in the Chamber and to say some positive words about our Armed Forces, to support the inclusion of active members of the Armed Forces who've honourably served for at least a year as being able to have a poppy licence plate, a licence plate with a red poppy and the Canadian flag.

      It is a tribute to our Canadian Armed Forces for the work they have done for so many years in protecting and advancing demo­cracy in two world wars, in the Korean War, the war in Afghanistan, in many peacekeeping efforts, and many efforts in response to emergencies in Canada, including during the COVID pandemic and most recently the Fiona hurricane in the Maritimes. They are critically im­por­tant to all of us, to the stability and the future of Canada.

      We are also honouring the former members of the Canadian Armed Forces who were honourably discharged, and it is right and proper that they, too, are allowed to have the poppy licence plates with a red poppy and the Canadian flag on it.

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      And it is also ap­pro­priate that we honour the former members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police force, who have voluntarily resigned in good standing from the force. This is recog­nition of the im­por­tant role that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police have played in the history of our country.

      It's not to take away or dismiss some of the recent concerns that have been raised about the RCMP, but it is at this point to recog­nize that they have been a sig­ni­fi­cant presence and a sig­ni­fi­cant help in terms of security in Canada.

      With those few words, Madam Speaker, I will hope that this bill moves on to pass third reading and become law later in the next few days.

Madam Speaker: Is the House ready for the ques­tion?

An Honourable Member: Question.

Madam Speaker: The question before the House is concurrence and third reading of Bill 237, The Drivers and Vehicles Amend­ment Act (Poppy Number Plates).

      Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed]

Bill 233–The Engineering and Geoscientific Professions Amendment Act

Madam Speaker: I will now call concurrence and third reading of Bill 233, The Engineering and Geoscientific Professions Amend­ment Act.

Mr. Ian Wishart (Portage la Prairie): I move, seconded by the member for Midland (Mr. Pedersen), that Bill 233, the engineering and geoscience–scien­tific professions amend­ment act, be reported from the Standing Com­mit­tee on Social and Economic Dev­elop­ment, be concurred in and now–and be now read for a third time and passed.

Madam Speaker: It has been moved by the hon­our­able member for Portage la Prairie, seconded by the hon­our­able member for Midland, that Bill 233, The Engineering and Geoscientific Professions Amend­ment Act, be now–reported from the Standing Com­mit­tee on Social and Economic Dev­elop­ment, be concurred in and be now read for a third time and passed.

Mr. Wishart: Just to put a few words on the record to thank the engineers and geoscientist profession for working so closely with us.

      It is a very involved bill, but it–an update that was necessary to deal with some of the ongoing issues in appeals, and also in hearing process; and then also to deal with the developing issues when it comes to new immigrants and their status from professions training in other juris­dic­tions that–and how it might be recog­nized. This is going to be very im­por­tant, I think, moving forward in our future.

      We are definitely going to be facing a need for more engineers and geoscientists in the future. There are people out there that are trained in other juris­dic­tions and we need to have the proper mechanisms in place to recog­nize the skillset that they have, the ex­per­ience that they have gained, in–not only here but in other places. And as we move forward, this is going to be what builds Manitoba in many ways. Especially, you know, with the number of new immigrants that we have been having come to Manitoba with a good skillset already.

      So, I'd like to thank the op­posi­tion for co‑operating on this bill. I think this is good for all of Manitoba, and I think this is some­thing that we're all very happy to recog­nize and I look forward to their continued support in the future.

      Thank you.

Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): I'm happy to put a few words on the record in respect of Bill 233, the engineering and geoscientist professions amend­ment act.

      I think this bill takes a couple of interesting steps in terms of enhancing and modernizing where engineers and geoscientists are currently in Manitoba. It makes direct changes to their scope of professions and their licenses that engineers can obtain, and it allows for enhanced–and respon­si­bilities and views and work that can be done by those within a specific scope of licenses.

      And that has–it gives, and provides op­por­tun­ities to engineers who might have been left on the sideline before, those engineers who are able to work in just a specific field; and so it opens the door for, you know, more engineers to be working in those fields.

      And you know, I think this is a good thing because it helps to move along our industries in Manitoba but also, you know, with their combined–with their change that they're making to their appeals and to ensuring that engineers and geoscientists are working properly, it also enhances the number of engineers that can work and also ensures that there's public safety at the same time while doing that.

      So, it kind of really modernizes and opens the door for people perhaps who are educated outside of Manitoba, even outside of the country. It also allows for work to be done by engineers within a specific scope and, you know, it modernizes some of the acts of the registrar of their respon­si­bilities.

      And so, this modernization of the bill, I think, is some­thing that the engineers and geoscientists have been working on and refining and fine tuning over the past number of years. It's good that we are able to move this forward in the Legislature so that we can ensure that the industry doesn't get stagnated by old regula­tion.

      And so, we're happy to move this one forward today. We want to ensure and make sure that all engineers and geoscientists in Manitoba know that we're very thankful for the im­por­tant work that they do to help build our province, and we want to make sure that their industry and their profession continues to have those opportunities in the future.

      I think this bill is a part of that, and we need to ensure that we invest in that profession, invest in infra­structure in general and make sure that we can continue to build Manitoba properly, safely, equitably and ensuring that we keep those jobs here in Manitoba, and so that our economy continues to grow at the same time that we're helping that profession and all Manitobans.

      So, I'll leave my comments and remarks at that, Madam Speaker, and thank you very much.

Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, I'd put a few words on the record on Bill 233, the engineering and geoscientist professions amend­ment act.

      This bill has three primary goals, three primary changes: first, simplifying admin­is­tra­tive procedures and language; second, removing some barriers to practice, parti­cularly for people who are immigrants or coming in here with specified scopes of practice; and three, increasing trans­par­ency and pro­tec­tion of the public.

      I was pleased to hear the pre­sen­ta­tion of Mr. Michael Gregoire of the engineering geoscientists Manitoba. He's the director of pro­fes­sional standards for Engineers Geoscientists Manitoba and represents the association's interests and he presented at com­mit­tee. He went through the process, which took three years, for the association to work with the prov­incial government and various MLAs and staff to develop the amend­ments.

      The change which I believe is really the most interesting is the amend­ments which allow new immigrants or others coming into Manitoba on a temporary basis to be able to practice here. These changes basically stream­line the process for new registrations for people who are out of province or just coming into province, permitting the registrar to approve certificates of author­ization and licences for out-of-juris­dic­tion applicants.

      The approval follows standards set by the council in the manual of admissions and the registrar also conducts a very thorough review of these applications following the standards, and in doing so, speeds up the registration process to permit individuals to begin work in the province. This removes sig­ni­fi­cant barriers which are currently present.

      The association has also intro­duced a correction to the registration require­ments for temporary licensees who are licensed in an outside juris­dic­tion, who work and reside in Manitoba. Members who hold a specified scope-of-practice licence will now be allowed to hold a certificate of author­ization to operate a part­ner­ship, cor­por­ation or other legal entity offering engineering or 'geoscientificate' services.

      This will allow those with specified scope licences to start their own busi­nesses here in Manitoba and to expand operations and their services to Manitobans.

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      This will enhance the ability to have services delivered by engineers in Manitoba, and will make it easier for those who are coming from outside of Manitoba to work here.

      This is, I believe, an im­por­tant step forward and I think one that other colleges and organi­zations who are involved in looking at how better to help bring in and license members, individuals who come from outside of province.

      So I am, on behalf of the Manitoba Liberal Party and the Manitoba Liberal caucus, saying we're very pleased to support this bill, and look forward to it becoming law very soon.

      Thank you.

Madam Speaker: Is the House ready for the ques­tion?

Some Honourable Members: Question.

Madam Speaker: The question before the House is concurrence and third reading of Bill 233, The Engineering and Geoscientific Professions Amend­ment Act.

      Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed]

      I declare the motion carried.

Hon. Cliff Cullen (Acting Gov­ern­ment House Leader): I thank the members of the House this morning for your co‑operation and reading those bills through.

     

      Madam Speaker, will you canvass the House to see if there's a willingness to call it 11 o'clock?

Madam Speaker: Is there willingness of the House to call it 11 o'clock? [Agreed]

Resolutions

Res. 25–Calling on the Federal Gov­ern­ment to Stand in Unity with the Manitoba Legislature and Support Human Rights of Iranian Protesters

Madam Speaker: The hour being 11 a.m., we will now move to private members' reso­lu­tions. The reso­lu­tion before us this morning is reso­lu­tion 25, Calling on the Federal Gov­ern­ment to Stand in Unity with the Manitoba Legislature and Support Human Rights of Iranian Protesters.

Mr. Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): I move, seconded by the member from Brandon East,

WHEREAS on September 16th 2022, Mahsa Amini was arrested by Iranian Police and killed as a result of the police brutality she faced; and

WHEREAS in the last 43 years, the regime has led campaigns of discrimination against women, LGBTQ community, followers of other belief systems and other ethnic minorities; and

WHEREAS since then Iranian people have taken to the streets to protest the despotic government of the Islamic Republic of Iran; and

WHEREAS the women, men, and children of Iran have shown incredible bravery and protested the dictator rule with valour; and

WHEREAS the Members of this Legislature support freedom of choice and freedom of expression; and

WHEREAS Members of this Legislature stand for justice, and all human rights; and

WHEREAS Members of this Legislature stand with the people of Iran, Mahsa Amini and all women, men, and children to have their basic human rights, including the right to life, liberty and security.

      THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Legis­lative Assembly of Manitoba call on the federal govern­ment to stand with the people of Iran and adequately support Iranians and work to protect the people of Iran.

Motion presented.

Mr. Khan: Say her name, Mahsa Amini. Say her name, Mahsa Amini. Say her name, Mahsa Amini.

      On September 16th, 2022, a 22-year-old female was arrested, beaten and killed because it was deemed that she was not wearing her headscarf properly by the so-called morality police in Iran. Since then, protests have erupted all over the world in some 160 cities, and some of the biggest protests have happened right here in Canada.

      The ongoing popular uprising in Iran against the Islamic Republic is now in its 39th day, and so is the ruthless crackdown on the people of Iran. In the span of just five weeks, over 200 people have been killed and at least 23 of them have been children. Hundreds have been injured and thousands more have been arrested.

      This violent crackdown must stop and the people of Iran must be set free. These 'prostesors' are sac­rificing their lives for their most basic human rights.

      The UN Human Rights Office has said that it's deeply worried by the unabated violent response by the security forces against protesters, and reports of arbitrary arrests and killings in detention centres.

      The sustained, nationwide unrest is one of the biggest uprisings in the country's recent histories. It is also the first mainstream women-led protest in recent years in Iran.

      On October 14th, a 16-year-old girl, Asra Panihi [phonetic] died after protesters say she was beaten. Many of her fellow students and teachers were also reportedly beaten.

      Sixteen-year-old Sarina Esmeralda [phonetic] was also beaten on September 23rd. Nika Shakaramani [phonetic], 16-year-old; Mahsha Magoui [phonetic], 18-year-old. These are real women and children who have been beaten and murdered.

      These are just a few names of the growing list of murdered women and men during these most recent protests. The ongoing uprising is not calling for reforms, but demands fun­da­mental political and social changes towards a free, demo­cratic Iran, that protects the rights of all Iranians and does not export terrorism to the regions of the world.

      I was honoured to attend a protest this last weekend with a few hundred Winnipeggers from all various back­grounds at the very steps of the Canadian Museum for Human Rights in support and solidarity with the people of Iran. I was very happy to see a few members opposite attend as well: the member from St. Vital and the member from Burrows, who also spoke very passionately about supporting the people of Iran and standing for a free and just Iran.

      And I hope they will do that today with this reso­lu­tion. Today is their chance, and the chance of their colleagues to put their actions behind their words, to stand on the right side of history, freedom and justice, and vote in favour of this reso­lu­tion supporting the people of Iran.

      As you may recall, I stood here in this House a few weeks ago and gave my private members' statement about flight PS752 that was shot down by  two missiles from the IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, a flight in which 176 lives were taken, 138 of them having direct ties to Canada and 55 of them being Canadian citizens them­selves.

      I spoke of hope and optimism for a brighter future. Today I hope to further stoke that flame and hope towards a brighter future for the people of Iran, and today is one step forward for that.

Mr. Dennis Smook, Acting Speaker, in the Chair

      But the freedom, the fight for justice, doesn't stop at the tree-planting memorial protest and it won't stop today with this–passing of this reso­lu­tion, hopefully. The fight for freedom will continue; the fight for action must be loud and clear and we must act. That is why we are here as elected officials.

      While I acknowl­edge the federal gov­ern­ment, Ottawa, has made some an­nounce­ments and efforts to support the people of Iran, I will note that it is not enough. The Liberal Member of Parliament south himself stated that the federal gov­ern­ment should do more, and he himself will call on Justin Trudeau to do more to support the people of Iran.

      So I am here today asking that we send a loud and clear message to Ottawa and to the Liberal gov­ern­ment to do more. The IRGC has terrorized the people of Iran for decades, and has openly declared support for other terrorist organi­zations such as Hezbollah and Hamas, both which are listed in Canada on terrorist–as terrorist entities.

      Yet for some reason, the Canadian federal Liberal gov­ern­ment refuses to put the IRGC on the terrorist list, even though in 2018, the Trudeau gov­ern­ment voted to list the IRGC as a terrorist entity. Despite the motion being adopted by the House of Commons, the Liberal gov­ern­ment has yes–yet to list this organi­zation as a terrorist entity.

      The time for empty words and hollow an­nounce­ments is over; it's time for the Liberal gov­ern­ment to take action to support the Iranian people's struggle for freedom, and list the IRGC as a terrorist entity.

      The people of–for Iran are not calling for war. They do not want war; they do not need war. They simply want their human rights, their freedom, their peace and justice. They are calling for support, they are calling for outside powers to aid in the system, they are asking for help. Will we not help them?

      They are calling to impose targeted sanctions on the leaders of operatives, oligarchs, lobbyists of the Islamic republic, which can be done by the federal gov­ern­ment. This will send a strong message that we will not have con­ver­sa­tion, dialogue or debate with organi­zations with practices such as the Islamic public of Iran and IRGC. We will stop negotiating with criminal states and criminal operatives.

      They are calling for the safe release of all prisoners wrongfully detained and illegally held in Iranian prisons. While the federal gov­ern­ment has barred dozens of people and entities from entering Canada and doing busi­ness in Canada with most Canadian firms–I'm not sure what most Canadian firms means, but that's what their policy said, they will stop them from doing busi­ness with most Canadian firms–this is not enough.

      While this sounds like a good idea, a professor at the Uni­ver­sity of Ottawa has said that there's a big difference between announcing sanctions on people and actually applying them. Canada has trad­itionally had dif­fi­cul­ty fully imple­men­ting sanctions it announces. So what good is it, then, more empty words. Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister said, Canada continues to use all of its tools at its disposable–as is disposed to respond to Iranians regime violation of human rights and its threats to regional peace and security.

      And yet, it has not added the IRGC to the terrorist list. We need action. It is evident that the Islamic regime in Iran intends to continue and es­cal­ate the humane violence–the inhumane violence against its own citizens.

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      So, we need action. In spite of all the violent crackdowns on the demonstrations happening in Iran, protestors are still coming out to the streets and women are, and have remained at the forefront of this protest.

      This is not the first time it has happened, but hopefully this will be the last time. It will only be the last time for the people of Iran if they have inter­national support and that is what we are calling on for today. We have to do more than just simply speak words.

      There is a revolution coming for justice and freedom in Iran. Through­out history, it has never been so strong as the call is now, and you will have to ask yourself, what side of history are you on?

      Our gov­ern­ment and everyone in this House is opposed to discrimination in any form. Human rights are im­por­tant for all legis­lators to uphold and we have a duty to protect them–all human rights, whether they be in Canada or elsewhere.

      So, I humbly ask the members opposite to vote in favour of this reso­lu­tion and let's all stand together with the people of Iran.

      I'm going to quote the president of the Iranian Com­mu­nity of Manitoba, he said this last weekend: People in Iran are not backing down, so it would be a shame for us here in a free, demo­cratic country to back down. This is the least we can do. We will keep up the pressure, we will keep up our voice, because while so many have done, so much more can be done.

      I hope that we, as members of the Legis­lative Assembly Manitoba, will come together today and do more and support the people of Iran and human rights.

      Thank you.

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): I would just like to remind the House that the noon recess will take place at 11:41 due to the House being called at 11 o'clock, early.

Questions

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): A question period of up to 10 minutes will be held. And questions may be addressed in the following sequence: the first question may be asked by a member from another party; any subsequent ques­tions must follow a rotation between parties; each independ­ent member may ask one question. And no question or answer shall exceed 45 seconds.

MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Can the member for Fort Whyte tell us why it's so im­por­tant for MLAs to stand in solidarity with Iranian people during this time of crisis?

Mr. Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): I want to thank the member from Union Station for that very im­por­tant question.

      And it is of utmost im­por­tance for MLAs to stand for human rights and justice across the world. It is our duty as elected officials to stand up any time we see this violation happening. So, it is my duty–it is all of our duties–to stand up and voice our support for the people of Iran, calling on stronger measurements from the federal gov­ern­ment to protect and support the people of Iran.

      I myself am honoured to lend my voice behind that and I hope that members opposite and everyone in this Legis­lative Assembly will also feel that way today.

Mr. Len Isleifson (Brandon East): I know the member in his preamble mentioned a few things that are happening in the com­mu­nity, but I'm wondering if the member can explain the con­tri­bu­tion of the Iranian com­mu­nity right here in Manitoba?

Mr. Khan: I want to thank the member for Brandon East for that great question.

      The Iranian com­mu­nity, if you haven't had an oppor­tun­ity to be involved with, is one of the most beautiful com­mu­nities I've had the pleasure and honour to be involved with. They are so welcoming. They are so fun. They are peaceful. They are loving. Their arts, their music, their culture, their history of their people is beautiful.

      So, you know, I encourage all members in this room, if they haven't had the op­por­tun­ity yet, to reach out to them. It is a growing, vibrant com­mu­nity in Manitoba and it's only going to grow larger and larger.

      And I thank them for the con­tri­bu­tion of this mosaic of Manitoba that we now all call home.

Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): My question to the MLA for Fort Whyte: Can the member provide us with a list of actions which the current prov­incial Conservative gov­ern­ment has done with 'rescect' to the situation in Iran?

Mr. Khan: I want to thank the member for River Heights for his question. And if the member recalls, this reso­lu­tion is calling on the federal gov­ern­ment to do more and support the people of Iran. This reso­lu­tion here is calling on the Liberal gov­ern­ment to do more.

      Our gov­ern­ment has made it very clear through­out history that we stand on the side of human rights and justice. We support peoples' right to choose how they worship, how they live their life, how they make any decisions when it comes to their human rights and freedoms.

      And we are now asking the federal gov­ern­ment to step up in that regard and not just give lip service and add people to a list; and to follow through on the promises they have made, of putting the IRGC on the terrorist list.

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The member's time has expired.

MLA Asagwara: The–sorry, can the member identify what actions spe­cific­ally the federal gov­ern­ment should take, or could take, to support the women of Iran, the women, the girls and gender‑diverse peoples of Iran who are leading these protests?

Mr. Khan: I, again, want to thank the member for the­–Union Station (MLA Asagwara) for this great question.

      There are a lot of things the federal gov­ern­ment can do, and there are certain things that the federal gov­ern­ment is doing to help and protect the people of Iran, but there is more they can do. They can, as I said in my statement, forcefully and unequivocally demand the release of all prisoners–thousands of prisoners being held in Iran unlawfully.

      We call on the federal gov­ern­ment to take action on that. We call on the federal gov­ern­ment to imme­diately designate the ambassadors or other repre­sen­tatives of the Islamic regime and have them expelled from Canada, to refuse to negotiate them.

      There are actions such as putting the IRGC on the terrorist list; not just listing 10,000 people and not allowing them into Canada, not allowing–

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The member's time has expired.

Mr. Rick Wowchuk (Swan River): I want to thank my colleague and member from Fort Whyte for bringing this very im­por­tant issue on human rights forward.

      Can the member share spe­cific­ally how this reso­lu­tion will affect his con­stit­uency?

Mr. Khan: Sorry. I want to thank the member for Swan River for that question.

      This reso­lu­tion won't have a direct effect, per se, on my con­stit­uency. Yes, there is Iranian com­mu­nity in my constituecy, yes it is a 'goring' popu­la­tion, and I was honoured to take part in the memorial that the Iranian com­mu­nity had created to mark the 176 lives taken with the tree planting; that is in the riding of Fort Whyte.

      But this reso­lu­tion is larger than that. This reso­lu­tion calls on the federal gov­ern­ment to support all the people of Iran. So, wherever they may live, in any of our con­stit­uencies, this reso­lu­tion is designed to help them and help the people of Iran.

MLA Asagwara: Can the member share with us what he thinks that individual Manitobans can do to support the protests in Iran and the Iranian com­mu­nity here in Manitoba?

Mr. Khan: I want to thank the member for Union Station again for another wonderful question.

      What can individuals do? That's the question that we get asked all the time, what can I do, I'm just one voice. Well one voice has a ripple effect. You throw one stone in the lake, you got ripples going all across.

      And that's what's happening in Iran right now. And that's what's going to happen through­out the world.

      So, I encourage members, I encourage individuals to reach out to your MPs, to reach out to your MLAs, to sign petitions, to get involved in organi­zations, to show up to rallies, to show up to protests, to lend your voice of support behind the people being persecuted in Iran and stand for freedom and justice.

      So, get involved at any level, if you are able to.

Ms. Janice Morley-Lecomte (Seine River): I'd also like to commend my colleague from Fort Whyte on bringing forward this very im­por­tant reso­lu­tion. And I'd also like him to expand a little bit on the current situation going on in Iran.

Mr. Khan: I want to thank the member for Seine River for that question.

      You know, the situation in Iran is not a good one. It is very dire and sad. The–over 200 lives have been lost, countless children, dozens of children murdered and beaten.

      And people are still fighting. They are coming to the streets in thousands and thousands to ask for their freedom and justice.

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      So, the situation's not great and what compounds that is that the IRGC and Islamic regime is con­trolling Internet and TV access. So, they're limiting the messaging getting out, and yet the message is still getting out. People are still being heard and the cry for help is still there.

      So, again, I implore everyone to please lend your voice behind this im­por­tant reso­lu­tion and call on the federal gov­ern­ment–

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The member's time has expired.

MLA Asagwara: I thank the member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan) for bringing this forward and I know that he has spoken out on this issue. I'm–also, several colleagues of ours on this side of the House have also been very vocal on this issue. The MLA for St. Johns, I think, has probably been the most vocal on this parti­cular matter.

      And I'm wondering if the member Fort Whyte–for Fort Whyte can share with us the importance of individual MLAs speaking out on this parti­cular issue but more broadly on the issue of injustice and discrimination against any members of our com­mu­nities.

Mr. Khan: I want to thank the member for Union Station (MLA Asagwara) and I want to thank a lot of the members in this House today–actually every member in this House today, including the member from St. Johns and members on our side for advocating and champion human rights and justice wherever that may be, not just in Iran, not in Canada, everywhere, wherever we see it.

      So, my reply to the member from Union Station would be simply: always lend your voice to the right side of history. Always do the right thing. Stand up, let it be heard, be known that you are on the right side of history and you stand for human rights and justice. So, get involved in everywhere you can.

      Thank you.

Mr. Isleifson: I know one question that always comes up in the House–I'll repeat that because I noticed my thing wasn't on. One question that always comes up in the House for all reso­lu­tions and bills pertains to con­sul­ta­tion.

      And I'm wondering if the member from Fort Whyte could explain to the House or describe to the House the process he went through and who he consulted with for this reso­lu­tion?

Mr. Khan: I want to thank the member from Brandon East for that great question.

      Con­sul­ta­tion was the backbone of this reso­lu­tion: con­sul­ta­tion with the Iranian Com­mu­nity of Manitoba, con­sul­ta­tion with the Uni­ver­sity of Manitoba Iranian Student Association, con­sul­ta­tion with families of flight PS752.

      Con­sul­ta­tion on our reso­lu­tion was the utmost importance in this reso­lu­tion, as it is designed to help the people of Iran. So, I felt like I really needed to hear from them and have constant con­ver­sa­tion and con­sul­ta­tion with them.

      Also reached out to advocates in Toronto and Edmonton and Ottawa on this issue as well, and unanimously, they all supported this reso­lu­tion and are very happy and honoured to be a part of this.

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): Time for questions has expired.

Debate

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): Debate is now open.

Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St. Johns): I want to thank the member for Fort Whyte for bringing forward this im­por­tant reso­lu­tion.

      Certainly, I think that this is one of those rare moments in the House where we all support and are on the right side of history. There is no other choice–or there should not be any other choice but to support the women, girls, gender-diverse folks and people of Iran.

      We've watched, you know, the last six weeks as Iranian women and girls have courageously led a revolution. And I always say this and, you know, some of the best revolutions through­out history have been led by women. And I would submit to the House and those watching that this is one of those historic moments.

      And, you know, it cannot be overstated enough or stressed enough the enormous amount of courage that it takes for Iranian women and girls to get up, to go against the Islamic republic regime–a theocracy of oppression, of savage repression against its people.

      And, of course, Deputy Speaker, we know that the spark for this revolution was the murder of Mahsa Amini, who was taken into custody by the morality police, by Iranian security forces, was beaten and was–died, and was murdered. And I think it's really im­por­tant for the language that we use; she was murdered. She didn't die in custody. She was murdered by an oppressive, corrupt regime.

      You know, again, women and girls of all ages have led these protests and demonstrations. They've done so by removing their head scarves, their hijabs, they've been in the face of the Islamic republic's security face–security, chanting anti-gov­ern­ment slogans and confronting head-on this oppression.

      That is some­thing extra­ordin­ary to bear witness to, even from afar. What should be perfectly clear, and I see that my colleague, the member for Riel (Ms. Squires), is with us here today, and I know I'm not supposed to be saying that, but yes, I do want to just note to the House that the member and I had the op­por­tun­ity on Friday to sit with Iranian women and girls at the Canadian Museum for Human Rights for an event that was put on by the Islamic Social Services Association and the Canadian Council for Muslim Women.

      And I would suggest that both the member for Riel and I are very grateful for that panel discussion and parti­cularly for Auntie Shahina Siddiqui, who is–you know, everybody that knows Auntie Shahina Siddiqui knows that she is brilliant and unapologetic.

      And one of the things that she made clear, abundantly clear, on Friday that–you know, and that should be understood, is that the current situation that we see unfolding in Iran is not necessarily about the hijab. Of course, it is in many respects, in the sense of the right for women and girls to choose and the freedom to choose what they do with their bodies and their beings; but also that the en­force­ment of the hijab in this present moment is also a symbol of the greater oppression from the Islamic republic to all its people.

      We had someone present to us, a professor, an Iranian professor, who made it very, very clear and did a phenomenal job mapping out the level of oppression that Iran has been seeing for the last 40 years. One thing that I found in­cred­ibly interesting was, she said that there's effectively no middle class anymore in Iran, and that the gap between those very rich, or those in power, and those at the–in poverty is huge and that people are literally starving and–in the streets of Iran because of the corruption of the Islamic republic, and that they're not able to choose the jobs that they want to do, they're not able to feed their families the way that they want to do.

      And the thing about oppression, the thing that is one hundred per cent a given, is that people will only take oppression for so long until they rise up and demand change. And that is what we're seeing here in Iran, being led by women and girls.

      It is im­por­tant to note that Amesty [phonetic] Inter­national as of today has said that since the start of this revolution, that 23 children have been murdered by the Islamic republic regime. And I want to just note just a couple of them, Deputy Speaker.

      Nika Shakarami was just on the verge of turning 17. She loved to sing and to dance. She was at a protest where she burned her hijab, and she was taken by the security forces and was murdered.

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      Now, some of the things that are said and whether, you know, those have been verified, was she was violated while she was in custody. Brutally violated and murdered. This is a child, 16 years old, who was simply exercising her right to live free.

      Sarina Ismaladal [phonetic] is a 16-year-old YouTube blogger who often posted on women's rights and the rejection of forced hijab. And I've gone on some of her videos, because I wanted to honour her little life, I wanted to see what she stood for. I wanted to see and hear and learn what she shared with the world in her short 16 years.

      And I want to just share this quote that she says. And I quote: there are more restrictions for women, like the mandatory hijab, and many more restrictions that don't exist for men. End quote.

      I think that that is a very im­por­tant–it's very im­por­tant that we lift up the voices of women and girls that are on the front lines of this struggle for freedom and the right to choose.

      I want to just say this: I want to acknowl­edge very quickly, Deputy Speaker, all of the acts of resistance that we've been seeing over these last six month–or, six weeks. We have seen Iranian women cutting their beautiful hair, burning their hijabs. We've seen women, two women, that stood in the streets and they started hugs for a sorrowful nation, where they were giving out hugs as acts of resistance.

      We've seen schoolgirls making videos in their classrooms with their backs towards the camera, hiding their faces. We've seen protests in schoolyards. We've seen world-class climber Elnazad [phonetic] Rakabi taking off her hijab in sport. We also now–know right now she is in–at home and under threat.

      We've seen medical students and students at all of the uni­ver­sities that have rose up in protests against Islamic republic security forces. We've seen Iranian shopkeepers and factory workers who went on strike. We've seen a teachers' union who have demanded a strike to protect their students.

      These are phenomenal, courageous acts of resistance. And I want to–I want those folks, I want the people of Iran, parti­cularly the women, girls and gender-diverse folks, to know that I see them, that we see them, that we stand in solidarity for them–with them and that we demand more than just performative actions.

      Expel their ambassadors from your country. Have sanctions on–

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The member's time has expired.

Mr. Andrew Micklefield (Rossmere): On September 16th last year, a 22-year-old female was arrested, beaten and killed. Why? Because it was deemed that she was not wearing her headscarf properly by the so-called morality police in Iran. Her name: Masha [phonetic] Amini.

      Since then, protests have erupted worldwide. About 160 cities of people saying, this should not be. Sadly, it's not an isolated event. In Iran, we see these protests with increasing frequency and with growing crowds. Protesting has not been met well by gov­ern­ment forces. The Iranian security police cracking down, arresting thousands of protesters; as has already been noted, many of them women and girls.

      It is esti­mated that over the last five or so weeks, over 200 people have been killed, more than 10 per cent children, killed by their own gov­ern­ment–not killed by some faction, not killed by some rogue group that the gov­ern­ment opposes–no, killed by the gov­ern­ment, killed by the Iranian gov­ern­ment, killed by a gov­ern­ment which opposes its own citizens' right to think differently, to live differently, to behave differently.

      And that has cost these people, many of them, their lives, not to mention the fear that every arrest, every imprisonment, every beating and every death puts into the popu­la­tion, the wider popu­la­tion. This is not peace. This is not demo­cracy.

      The UN has described this situation as deeply worrying, and yet Iran continues to have status at the UN even while it controls its own Internet–the Internet access of its own people, even while it censors the news that they see and, as much as it can, the news that comes out of Iran.

      About 8,000 people have been arrested, which is a staggering number, and those are estimates.

      I'd like to name some of those who have died. A 16-year-old girl, Asra Panahi, died. Allegedly, she was beaten to death by state security forces. I have a 16-year-old daughter. It's also reported that fellow students and teachers were also beaten in the same incident.

      Another 16-year-old girl, Sarina–I hope I say the last name correctly–Esmailzadeh, was also beaten to death on September 23rd. This isn't some­thing that happened 10 years ago or five years ago–no, this is happening right now. We're talking about dates in the last few weeks.

      Nika Shakarami–oh, another young girl, aged 16, murdered by her own gov­ern­ment for having a different opinion and saying so.

      Mahsa Mogoi, 18, also reported killed in September. Why? For breaking the law, for threat­ening other people's lives, for doing some violent action that puts others at risk? No, none of that. Just for having a different opinion.

      And who knows the people that we don't know about. After all, the Iranian gov­ern­ment's censoring all the infor­ma­tion that gets out. This stuff is leaked out by underground journalists and people who can get access to the Internet before it's cut off or before they are censored, too.

      And so, we're not just calling here for some reforms or maybe some tweaks or adjustments. We're calling for an overhaul. We're calling for demo­cracy to take root in Iran. We're calling for the Canadian gov­ern­ment to throw its weight behind this reso­lu­tion and other initiatives like it to declare the IRGC a terrorist organi­zation.

      Because whatever our differences in this Chamber–and yes, there are lots of them–we all agree that you have the right to a different opinion. You have the right to live differently. You have the right to choose differently; you have the right to worship differently; you have the right to believe differently.

      Not in Iran. No, there's only one right way there and that's what we're speaking up against. That's what we take issue with, Mr. Assist­ant Deputy Speaker. That's what we are concerned about. We're concerned that people in our con­stit­uencies have family members in a country where if you believe the wrong thing you could be beaten, you could be murdered by the gov­ern­ment thugs, IRGC, the Iranian revolutionary guard corps.

      This is not some recently gathered gang, this isn't some rogue unit of the army. No, this is an organi­zation which has been around for some time. This is an organi­zation which is armed, which is organized, which is state-sponsored. This organi­zation is brutal. This organi­zation is violent. This organi­zation is murderous. This organi­zation shot down flight PS752.

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      We know this. The inter­national com­mu­nity knows this. The Canadian gov­ern­ment has known this. And only a few weeks ago did the Canadian gov­ern­ment say that they are going to take some steps, and I applaud those steps.

      But I want to know, why is the IRGC not on the list of terrorist organi­zations?

      Steps are good, sanctions are good, you can't come to Canada–these are all good things. I support them.

      That organi­zation, though, needs to be on the terrorist list for Canada. What message would that send to the United Nations? What message would that send to other countries? What message would that send to our Iranian com­mu­nities here in our city of Winnipeg, in our province of Manitoba and across the nation of Canada? That we're not just going to make life more difficult for these organi­zations. We will name them for what they are, as terrorist organi­zations, Mr. Assist­ant Deputy Speaker.

      When that flight was shot down over three years ago, 176 people died; 138 of them had direct ties to Canada. In fact, 55 of them were Canadians.

      The IRGC has terrorized the people of Iran for decades. It has openly declared support for other organi­zations that we have called terrorists–Hezbollah, Hamas–but we won't call them terrorists? We need to, Mr. Assist­ant Deputy Speaker. And we need to, in this room today, send that statement to Ottawa, calling on them to put these guys on the list.

      It's not some­thing that you do flippantly. It's not some­thing that you do carelessly. You don't just throw an organi­zation on the terrorist list every time there's someone you disagree with. We shouldn't do that, and that's not what we're asking for.

      There haven't been–nobody's been put on the terrorist list, no organi­zation, I think, since 2003. If I recall correctly, there are only nine organi­zations, nine regimes, on the official terrorist list.

      But I think it's time we add a 10th, the IRGC. I think it's time we send that message to them, to the inter­national com­mu­nity and to the Iranian com­mu­nity in our city, that making life difficult for terrorists is not enough. Saying don't come here on a holiday is not enough. Saying don't do busi­ness with Canadian companies is not enough.

      The next step, and maybe there are more, is calling them out as a terrorist organi­zation, listing them on a list that has not been added to since 2003–nearly 20 years, and we should be cautious.

      But what more do these guys have to do as they arrest, as they beat, as they murder women and girls for having a different opinion? I say that is a terrorist regime, and I condemn it, and I call all of us to condemn it here.

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The member's time has expired.

MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): I am grateful for the op­por­tun­ity to put a few words on the record in regards to this reso­lu­tion, and I do want to thank the member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan) for bringing this reso­lu­tion forward.

      I think it's pretty clear that members of this Assembly are united on this parti­cular issue. It is a human rights issue, and while we see what is taking place in Iran, we recog­nize that there are many Iranian folks in Manitoba, there are many Iranian diaspora who are doing what they can to see positive change happen in Iran.

      And it has–it's already been stated that it is women and girls and gender-diverse peoples in Iran and outside of Iran, who are at the forefront of these protests and at the forefront of demanding that their basic human rights be upheld and recog­nized.

      And I do think it's very im­por­tant to recog­nize all folks who are lending their voices to this issue, to acknowl­edge and lift up all Iranian folks who are fighting very hard on this parti­cular issue. But I also do recog­nize the sig­ni­fi­cance of those within Iranian com­mu­nities who are even more impacted by this regime, and that is women, girls and gender-diverse peoples.

      The Islamic Republic of Iran was founded after the Iranian Revolution in 1979 and since then, very con­sistently and very openly, the regime has shown con­sistent disregard for the rights of religious minority com­mu­nities who do not share the state religion.

      It's im­por­tant for folks to know, although a lot of the dialogue and the discourse has been focused on hijab laws and restrictions on women's and girls' and gender-diverse bodies and rights, it's im­por­tant to know what these oppressive–this oppressive regime has meant beyond that narrative.

      The republic has imposed a death sentence for blasphemy, insulting religious sanctities or iden­tifying as gay, and has con­sistently surveyed, harassed, arrested and imprisoned those who do not follow the state's definition of Islam.

      Now, you know, whenever we see oppression and injustice, it is really im­por­tant that we also high­light those within targeted com­mu­nities who are even further marginalized, even further targeted, who perhaps have even less capacity to have their voices heard and the voices of their families and com­mu­nities heard.

      In this parti­cular circum­stance, it's im­por­tant for us to recog­nize that gender-diverse peoples, trans peoples within the Iranian com­mu­nity, have most definitely been standing up and speaking up and pushing back and are folks who in some cases are even further targeted and marginalized but perhaps are not as visible or vocal in terms of the global narrative around this parti­cular issue.

      And so, I say those comments to ensure that, you know, we are lifting up those folks as well and recog­nizing the great, great, great risks that many of those folks continue to face.

      And, quite frankly, not just in Iran but certainly, you know, diaspora face those concerns and those oppressive realities as well, including folks here in Manitoba who are navigating their identities as gender‑diverse–as one example–peoples, and also ensuring that as whole people they're able to have their voices heard in this movement and their needs recog­nized within this movement.

      It is, I think, very, very im­por­tant that a reso­lu­tion like this is debated in this House and that we are all contributing our voices to this discourse in calling on the federal gov­ern­ment to take concrete actions. It's already been stated several times, and I'm not going to repeat the remarks of several of my colleagues, but there are tangible steps the federal gov­ern­ment can and should take–should have taken, quite frankly–to this point already.

      And it is incumbent on us to bring reso­lu­tions like this forward and to take other steps to call on the federal gov­ern­ment to do what is necessary in order to ensure that human rights are fought for, upheld and recog­nized in Iran, but that our role as Canadian citizens, as members of legis­lative assemblies, is to do our part within our capacity. And the federal gov­ern­ment does have the capacity and the ability to take certain steps and so, I implore the federal gov­ern­ment to do just that.

      There is, you know, a lot of dialogue around the dire state of human rights in Iran, spe­cific­ally, again, for women, girls and gender-diverse peoples. I attended a protest here at the Legislature, a peaceful protest, several weeks ago now. There were other elected officials there; our colleague, the MLA for St. Johns, was there, and, you know, that was a really difficult day.

      It was an honour and humbling to be in that space with members of the Iranian com­mu­nity who are leaders, with youth, elders, with student organizers, with folks who you could feel, as soon as you walked upon the peaceful protest, you could feel the weight and the gravity of what it is that they're facing, that their loved ones are navigating.

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      The hurt and the pain was palpable, quite frankly, and that was talked about at that gathering, at that protest. It's a difficult reality to know that in such inhumane and depraved ways people are being harmed by their gov­ern­ment.

      And there was another aspect of that gathering that really stood out to me and that was that in the midst of all of that pain, in the midst of all of that suffering, there was also present this feeling of hope. There was also very much present this feeling of togetherness and unitedness.

      And folks of varying identities were at that gathering and took up space and con­tri­bu­ted their voices. And it was very clear that people are hopeful that change is happening and that change–over­whelming and necessary change–is very possible.

      That, to me, was inspiring. It was inspiring that the Iranian com­mu­nity would be so open and welcoming to everybody. Everyone is welcome to contribute their voice and support this in­cred­ibly im­por­tant revolutionary movement, this moment in time, but that there is a tre­men­dous amount of hope for the changes that can and need to happen.

      My final comments, I want to–and I want to offer some remarks to the member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan). And I say this sincerely. This isn't me trying to be pointed or anything, but the member in his remarks talked about the gov­ern­ment's–his gov­ern­ment's record on advocating against discrimination and always being on the right side of issues.

      And I think it's very im­por­tant for the member for Fort Whyte and, quite frankly, for all of us to recog­nize that here in Manitoba, this gov­ern­ment–gov­ern­ments have made big mistakes, have actually perpetuated inequities.

      This member, the member for Fort Whyte, should be well aware, if he's not aware, that his gov­ern­ment has been subject to human rights complaints from members of the queer and trans com­mu­nity because his gov­ern­ment refused to respect the gender diversity of the residents of this province and refused to ensure that those folks could have access to the gender-affirming ID that they deserve.

      And I don't raise that to be adversarial at all. This is a good reso­lu­tion. I say that because it's im­por­tant for us to be able to honestly reflect on any gov­ern­ment's role–any gov­ern­ment's role–in either uplifting or in working against the advancements of human rights.

      And so, it's im­por­tant for all of us to be honest about these things so that, you know, we recog­nize that injustice absolutely anywhere contributes to injustice everywhere. We can and should and need to do better here in our own province, here in our own country.

      This reso­lu­tion, everybody being in support of it, is a great moment and a good example of how im­por­tant it is to be united and to call on the federal gov­ern­ment to do better. And I also call on all of us in our own capacity, on our own sides of the House, to do better by all citizens of all back­grounds right here in Manitoba.

      We stand in solidarity with the Iranian com­mu­nity–

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The member's time has expired.

Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam–Mr. Deputy Speaker, the killing of Mahsa Amini has sparked widespread protests and calls for action and calls for change in Iran, and it is badly needed.

      I want to begin by referencing a singer, Shervin Hajipour, who wrote a song, Baraye, meaning because of or for the sake of, basically putting forward reasons for people to join this rapidly expanding process which has spread all over Iran and around the world.

      The words of the song–and the song has been viewed by tens of millions of people; 40 million in the first day, apparently. It's become an anthem for women, freedom and an ordinary life. And I'm going to read two verses: these are the reasons for joining in the protests, for dancing in the streets, for our fear when kissing loved ones, for my sister, your sister, our sisters, for the changing of rotted minds, for embarrassment due to being penniless, for yearning for an ordinary life, for the child labourer and his dreams, for this dictatorial economy, for this polluted air; and it goes on.

      The reso­lu­tion we deal with today calls on the federal gov­ern­ment to act, and we in the Liberal caucus are fully, one hundred per cent in support of the reso­lu­tion. We hope it passes; we hope it passes unanimously today, and we hope that the federal gov­ern­ment will act.

      But this reso­lu­tion is not enough. The Province must also act. It is not enough to have a gov­ern­ment which dials 1-800-federal gov­ern­ment every time there's a problem.

      I asked a member of the Iranian com­mu­nity, what can the Province do? And I was given three options:

      (1) Prov­incial trade. Iran has historically been on of Manitoba's agri­cul­tural customers. Prov­incially, the gov­ern­ment, in col­lab­o­ration with the federal author­ities to make sure the items of agri­cul­tural trade are not dual use, have no military application.

      (2) the Prov­incial Nominee Program, to make sure that Iranian author­ities, their families, members of the Basij militia or members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, are not permitted to benefit from the Prov­incial Nominee Program and prevent invest­ment from those members in Manitoba.

      And third, edu­ca­tional in­sti­tutions, prov­incial respon­si­bility, could prevent the enrolment of family members of Iranian author­ities, members of the Basij militia or members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in higher edu­ca­tional in­sti­tutions in Manitoba.

      We need prov­incial action as well as federal action. As Nassim Nicholas Taleb mentions in Skin in the Game, it is im­por­tant not just to call out on others to act; it is im­por­tant to put your own skin in the game. It is im­por­tant for the Province to act.

      We can't just have a Province which dials 1-800-federal gov­ern­ment. We must have a Province which gets into the game, which acts. And this really im­por­tant global issue, this im­por­tant of what is happening in Iran, I call Mr. Deputy Speaker, for the Province to act.

      The Province should act by engaging members of the Iranian com­mu­nity; they are very so­phis­ti­cated, they are wonderful people. They will have lots of sug­ges­tions, but the bottom line is the Province must act.

      Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): Are there any further speakers, or is the House ready for the question?

Some Honourable Members: Question.

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the reso­lu­tion? [Agreed]

      I declare the reso­lu­tion carried.

Mr. Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): Acting Deputy Speaker–

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): On a point of order?

Mr. Khan: Point of order.

Point of Order

Mr. Khan: Deputy Speaker, I ask for a unanimous vote. Or, unanimous–[interjection] Ask that the reso­lu­tion be approved unanimously.

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): Is it the will of the House to have this reso­lu­tion passed unanimously? [Agreed]

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The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The hour being–[interjection]

Mr. Andrew Micklefield (Acting Government House Leader): Mr. Assist­ant Deputy Speaker, could you canvass the House to see if it's the will of the House to call at 12 noon?

The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): Is it the will of the House to call at 12 noon? [Agreed]

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      The hour being 12 p.m., this House is recessed and stands recessed until 1:30 p.m



LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA

Tuesday, October 25, 2022

CONTENTS


Vol. 74a

ORDERS OF THE DAY

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Speaker's Statement

Driedger 3293

Concurrence and Third Readings–Public Bills

Bill 240–The Jewish Heritage Month Act

Schuler 3294

Naylor 3295

Gerrard  3296

Bill 237–The Drivers and Vehicles Amendment Act (Poppy Number Plates)

Isleifson  3296

Sandhu  3297

Gerrard  3297

Bill 233–The Engineering and Geoscientific Professions Amendment Act

Wishart 3298

Moses 3298

Gerrard  3299

Resolutions

Res. 25–Calling on the Federal Government to Stand in Unity with the Manitoba Legislature and Support Human Rights of Iranian Protesters

Khan  3300

Questions

Asagwara  3302

Khan  3302

Isleifson  3302

Gerrard  3303

Wowchuk  3303

Morley-Lecomte  3304

Debate

Fontaine  3304

Micklefield  3306

Asagwara  3307

Gerrard  3309