LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA

Thursday, December 4, 2025


The House met at 10 a.m.

The Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom, know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen.

      We acknowledge we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline and Nehethowuk nations. We acknowledge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis. We acknowledge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed to working in partnership with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, reconciliation and collaboration.

      Please be seated.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Mr. Derek Johnson (Official Opposition House Leader): Hon­our­able Speaker, could you please call Bill 222, The Highway Traffic Amend­ment Act (Speed Limits on Prov­incial Roads).

Second Readings–Public Bills

Bill 222–The Highway Traffic Amendment Act
(Speed Limits on Provincial Roads)

The Speaker: It has been announced that we will now proceed to second reading of Bill 222, The Highway Traffic Amend­ment Act (Speed Limits on Prov­incial Roads).

Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): I move, seconded by the member for Lakeside (Mr. King), that Bill 222, The Highway Traffic Amend­ment Act (Speed Limits on Prov­incial Roads), be now read a second time and be referred to a com­mit­tee of this House.

Motion presented.

Mr. Narth: It is a true privilege to rise today in this Chamber as the sponsoring member bringing for­ward  Bill 222, The Highway Traffic Amend­ment Act (Speed Limits on Prov­incial Roads).

      As many members of this House know and recog­nize, and many members of the public, it's not often and it's not easy for private members of op­posi­tion to bring forward legis­lation. That's why I'm proud today to bring forward a bill that has been years in the works, some­thing near and dear to me from my years of ex­per­ience.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, this bill comes from the real world, not from the abstract. It comes from 12 years of first-hand ex­per­ience serving on munici­pal council in southeastern Manitoba, from sitting at the table of the RM of Stuartburn, where road safety wasn't hypo­thetical. It was practical, constant and, many times, personal.

      When a prov­incial road runs through the centre of town, beside schools, sidewalks, campgrounds, senior housing, farmyards and com­mu­nity halls, speed limits are not just numbers. They are decisions that separate safety from tragedy.

      That ex­per­ience shaped a core belief I carry into this House today: the best safety out­comes happen when decisions are made closest to the com­mu­nities who live with those con­se­quences.

      The legis­lation before us amends The Highway Traffic Act to enable local traffic author­ities, includ­ing munici­palities and First Nations, to set speed limits on prov­incial roads within urban areas inside their juris­dic­tional boundaries.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, this is not permission to set speed limits across all rural highways, highways out­side of com­mu­nities or arbitrary stretches of prov­incial roads. It is an urban-only author­ity: author­ity that begins where the sidewalks begin and ends where the townscape ends. In short, it restores the principle that com­mu­nities should control speed limits where com­mu­nities exist.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, this bill answers a demo­cratic request carried by elected local gov­ern­ments through the Association of Manitoba Munici­palities. In 2024, munici­palities from across this province debated and passed reso­lu­tion 26-'24, calling on the provincial government to make exactly this change–not some of Manitoba, not part of Manitoba; all municipalities in Manitoba had supported that AMM reso­lu­tion unanimously. This bill exists because local gov­ern­ments, the entities respon­si­ble for protecting residents day to day, said give us the tools to address risk when the Province will not expediate safety decisions or consult us properly.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, too often com­mu­nities have seen speed zones changed by prov­incial officials and offices without the meaningful dialogue needed with the councils whose boundaries they pass through. Com­mu­nities request safety changes and the process stalls for months, and I've seen personally for many years. Then changes land without justification, expla­nation or col­lab­o­ration. Com­muni­cation flows only one way: from the silo into the com­mu­nity, but seem­ingly never back; no answers, no rationale and, most im­por­tantly, no part­ner­ship.

      This Chamber has debated infra­structure for decades: roads, bridges, growth–all im­por­tant. But, Hon­our­able Speaker, growth inside com­mu­nities is now moving faster than the safety approvals. And speed zones, sign relocations and school zone desig­nations–the processes that once kept up no longer do.

      Com­mu­nities are watching growth outstep the process. And, Honourable Speaker, there are many examples–many examples from the com­mu­nities in western Manitoba that brought forward the AMM reso­lu­tion; many examples through every com­mu­nity that's represented in this House, including my own.

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      A com­mu­nity like New Bothwell that struggles to protect kids where prov­incial roads pass right through a school entrance; the com­mu­nity of Marchand resi­dents face confusing and dangerous speed sign relocations that create risk beside pedestrian infra­structure; Hanover region sees increased traffic from expanded rural housing and com­mercial corridors; First Nations across Manitoba face similar juris­dic­tional confusion, trying to protect residents on roads they cannot legally adjust inside their own com­mu­nities.

      In each case, local traffic author­ities acted, have identified the risk or also proposed solutions and were either ignored, delayed or blocked by process-first thinking instead of people-first part­ner­ships. Hon­our­able Speaker, safety should never need pressure nego­tiation when danger was identified years earlier.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, I'll give another example in my con­stit­uency in the com­mu­nity of Marchand. Along the busy PR 210, a 70-kilometre-an-hour speed zone was arbitrarily changed to a 100-kilometre-an-hour speed zone right beside a sidewalk in a com­mu­nity that is ex­per­ience–ex­per­iencing rapid growth. The munici­pality voiced their concerns, the com­mu­nity voiced their concerns, but yet nothing was done to make the change.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, that's wrong. The com­mu­nity knows what the risks are within their boundaries. They voice that concern to their local munici­pality or town council. That was done by a local advocate in that community, Jackie Loeppky, who we have with us in the gallery today. She's advocated for these changes and the municipality supports her, but yet no changes have been made.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, we've identified that as wrong across all municipalities in our province to the extent that municipal repre­sen­tatives came forward, came together, supported, sponsored a reso­lu­tion at a local level, and then that was brought forward to the prov­incial Association of Manitoba Munici­palities convention a year ago when it was passed and brought forward to this government to take action.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, I'd like to take this time before my time expires to recog­nize some of the distinguished munici­pal leaders and com­mu­nity advocates that we have in the gallery: as I mentioned just earlier, Jacquie Loeppky, a com­mu­nity advocate for safety in the com­mu­nity of Marchand is here with us today; Michelle Gawronsky, the reeve of the RM of Stuartburn; long-time councillor Dan Bodz, who's worked many years–decades–on the challenges of setting speed zones; Duane Davison, the reeve of Souris-Glenwood, together with his lovely wife; Jeff Owens, the councillor of the RM of Whitehead, who are sponsors of that AMM resolution; together with vice-president Brad Saluk and vice-president Scott Phillips are with us in the gallery today.

      So, in closing, Hon­our­able Speaker, I encourage everyone to come together and support this common sense piece of legis­lation that gives a voice where the voice belongs.

      Thank you, Hon­our­able Speaker.

Questions

The Speaker: A question period of up to 10 minutes will be held. Questions may be addressed to the sponsoring member by any member in the following sequence: first question to be asked by a member from another party; this is to be followed by a rotation between the parties; each independent member may ask one question. And no question or answer may exceed 45 seconds.

      The floor is now open for questions.

Mr. Logan Oxenham (Kirkfield Park): Could the member opposite point to any credible evidence what­so­ever for Manitoba or even Canada that raising speed limits in urban areas leads to safer roads, fewer collisions or reduced fatalities, because every study we've seen tells the opposite story: higher speeds mean higher risks.

      So what research, exactly, are they relying on?

Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): The point of this reso­lu­tion is to achieve almost the exact opposite from what the question poses. Many times, com­mu­nities grow, infra­structure–pedestrian infra­structure grows along with those com­mu­nities, so now you have sidewalks alongside full-speed prov­incial roads, like a 100-kilometre-an-hour stretch.

      Munici­palities want the ability to reduce the speed to increase safety. I don't think there's any exam­­ple of where a munici­pality has called to in­crease speed within an urban area.

      Thank you, Hon­our­able Speaker.

Mr. Trevor King (Lakeside): I want to thank the member from La Vérendrye for bringing forward this very im­por­tant, non-partisan bill–as far as I'm concerned.

      But I would–just want the member to maybe explain to the members opposite who claim to be a listening gov­ern­ment just how supporting this op­posi­tion bill also supports the reso­lu­tion from the AMM and all local munici­palities?

Mr. Narth: I'd like to thank the member for Lakeside for that great question. I think it's im­por­tant and I think this is a non-partisan bill, and that's the intent of me bringing it forward is that it shouldn't be political.

      But I think it's im­por­tant that gov­ern­ment listens to the Association of Manitoba Munici­palities that represent all munici­palities in the province. The reso­lu­tion that was brought forward exactly aligns with my plan for Bill 222 and answers the concerns of munici­palities across our entire province.

Mr. Oxenham: Why are the members opposite prior­itizing convenience over safety when Manitobans have been crystal clear that they want safer streets, not faster ones?

Mr. Narth: Out of complete respect for the minister from–for Kirkfield Park, I think we need–you need to adjust your speaking notes there because, again, similar to the first question, this is–achieves exactly the opposite.

      This aims to give author­ity and juris­dic­tion to local com­mu­nities, local gov­ern­ments to adjust speed zones to address safety concerns. So, many times, that's lowering speed limits or allowing for school zones adjacent to schools within urban boundaries.

The Speaker: Order, please. Order, please.

      I'd just remind members to make sure they're always addressing their questions or answers through the Chair.

MLA Jeff Bereza (Portage la Prairie): I want to welcome some of the members and the people that have come to speak here–or come to see this bill hope­fully pass unanimously this morning.

      Have–has the member had an op­por­tun­ity to speak with the executive of AMM or other members of other com­mu­nities that might benefit from this bill passing?

Mr. Narth: Thank you to the member for Portage la Prairie.

      Yes. In fact, as I mentioned in my opening remarks, this bill was spurred on by my more than a decade time on munici­pal council with the RM of Stuartburn, working with all of the munici­palities regionally around my munici­pality, hearing their con­cerns.

      Then, speaking to the Association of Manitoba Munici­palities at the convention that this reso­lu­tion was brought forward, seeing that it directly aligns with what I had first-hand ex­per­ienced in real life, and bringing those concerns together into a draft of a bill that's supported by the drafters of this Legislature.

Mr. Oxenham: Before proposing this bill, did the member opposite consult with police or first respon­ders or highway engineers about the increased risks of collisions, or are they simply guessing their way through road safety policy?

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Mr. Narth: Yes. In fact, I've had an extensive dialogue with the engineers of the Province, Glenn Cuthbertson, who's recently retired, but the head of that de­part­ment, I've had the pleasure of working with on speed zone concerns in com­mu­nities across my con­stit­uency.

      So the de­part­ment–the bureaucratic de­part­ment of this exact gov­ern­ment, this NDP gov­ern­ment, I had worked together with before drafting this bill; also in con­sul­ta­tion with the RCMP through my time in the RM of Stuartburn with–

The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

Mr. King: Again, I can ap­pre­ciate the member from La Vérendrye's ex­per­ience–munici­pal ex­per­ience, along with mine. We are certainly here to advocate for municipalities and bringing forward good legis­lation on that.

      But I just want to ask the member if he can share why he thinks that this gov­ern­ment has failed to act on this parti­cular issue?

Mr. Narth: Thank you to the member for Lakeside (Mr. King).

      We really–I was really trying to avoid making this political, but, unfor­tunately, we have to address the elephant in the room. We've seen time and time again that concerns brought forward to this NDP gov­ern­ment die on the ministers' tables. There's concerns around speed zone changes across my entire con­stit­uency–and I understand they're across the entire Westman region–that have gone simply unanswered.

      This reso­lu­tion–the reso­lu­tion '24 dash–or 26-'24 from the Association of Manitoba Munici­palities isn't the perfect example of that–

The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

Mr. Oxenham: During their seven and a half years in the previous failed gov­ern­ment, the members opposite had the time to introduce this bill themselves but failed to do so.

      Can the member please explain why they chose not to introduce this bill during that time?

Mr. Narth: As I started out saying that this is a non-partisan piece of legis­lation, I can answer that; I can perfectly answer that, Hon­our­able Speaker.

      I've been elected to this House for two years now. I've brought my experience from munici­pal government to help draft this piece of legis­lation. So my answer to the member opposite is that–exactly that: this is their government now, this is a new time with a new PC team, and we're bringing forward common sense legis­lation that protects the safety of all Manitobans.

MLA Bereza: With looking at reducing speed zones going through a lot of the smaller com­mu­nities, shouldn't–should–to the member from La Vérendrye, shouldn't this affect how a munici­pality is able to attract more busi­ness to their com­mu­nity?

Mr. Narth: For sure–and I thank the member for Portage la Prairie (MLA Bereza) for tying that to economic viability of com­mu­nities–for sure. Many times when a com­mu­nity is looking at where they're going to expand dev­elop­ment, they're hampered by the regula­tory process that holds up their abilities to make those changes. Many times you're not going to build the sidewalk that you need that the community calls for because you know that the Province is going to take a decade to make that decision. So, definitely, it hampers growth and dev­elop­ment in our communi­ties.

      So I thank you for that question.

Mr. Oxenham: Can the member opposite explain how drivers are supposed to safely navigate a prov­incial road where the speed limit may jump from 70 to 90 or down to 60 again as it crosses munici­pal boundaries? Does that sound like good road design to them?

Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh.

The Speaker: Order.

Mr. Narth: I apologize to the munici­pal repre­sen­tatives that we have with us in the gallery today. I'd like everyone to realize that these repre­sen­tatives–as you see the snow outside today, they came hundreds of kilometres to be here in support of this legis­lation today.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, the speeds change in com­mu­nities. This legislation doesn't change the ability for munici­palities to change the speed zones outside of urban areas. So it's not a talking point, even. It's no concern. It's within town. Speeds change within towns; it's when and how fast those changes can happen.

      Thank you, Hon­our­able Speaker.

The Speaker: The time for questions has expired.

Debate

The Speaker: The floor is open for debate.

MLA David Pankratz (Waverley): You know, I want to start by just welcoming our guests here for being here for this debate on this new legis­lation that's been brought forward. The safety of Manitobans obviously is a priority for everybody in this Chamber, and I know that it's a priority for munici­pal leaders like the ones who are joining us here today, and I also know that our team is committed to continuing to work with munici­pal leaders across this province. So I do want to thank them for making the trek down to the Legis­lative Building today to here the im­por­tant con­ver­sa­tions that we're having here.

      You know, and as I look through legis­lation on some­thing like the topic that we're talking about today on road safety, the big piece that I take away isn't necessarily spe­cific­ally the policy and the bullet points and all of that sort of stuff. It's the actual people that this could affect and the safety issues that we're trying to address here.

      And I do have to say that, you know, it's–as a person who worked as a first responder prior to coming into this, I've seen the real effects of what speed can do, right. It's energy, it's force, it is physics and, at times, it meets flesh and bone, frankly.

      And so I do–like, I want to talk a little bit about the people that I actually picture when I'm talking about safety issues here. And I apologize if it's slightly graphic because I think it's im­por­tant for us to really have a good conversation about what safety in legis­lation like this affects every single day here, right.

      So when we're talking about this stuff, I picture calls like a motorcycle accident that I went on where a rider hit some­thing in the road. This was rural.

      I worked, actually–and I want to say again to the AMM and munici­pal leaders who are here–I worked in Westman, actually, as a paramedic at the begin­ning of my career; so, in Virden, I took people into Souris often. So I thank the reeve for being here today from Souris as well.

      I remember spe­cific­ally a motorcycle accident where somebody had hit some­thing in the road and he was travelling at a pretty high rate, and we got there, he was in the middle of the road and had a fractured femur. And I will say, if you've seen that in person, what that looks like when somebody has been thrown from a bike in the situation that he was in, and you're the one that has to try to deal with that, it is–it's grue­some.

      And so, again, we're talking about really im­por­tant safety issues here and making sure that we take a co‑ordinated approach to avoid situations like this. We all want to avoid situations like this.

      You know, and that's the effect of speed. I also think of the family of five that I responded to, who was on summer vacation, in a head-on collision. And you pull up and, you know, it was a Dodge van just like mine. We've got a minivan, my family and I. I've got a family of five myself.

      They were pulling a trailer out to the lake and they'd been in an accident on the highway. The person that was in the other vehicle was speeding. Unfor­tunately, the vehicle that hit them, the driver passed away. Everybody in the vehicle that I responded to, that van, the family, we were able to save. But I still remember to this day, the two kids were stable enough that they came in the back of the ambulance with myself and the mom. When we got to the hospital in Souris, I carried the two kids in and I still remember them asking me as we were walking in: Is my mom okay? Is my dad okay?

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      Right, so I'm bringing all of this up not to try to be overly dramatic, not to try to paint a gruesome picture here, but just to say that we–when we talk about this stuff, there's a lot of nuance within the rules that we set, within the work that's done and in the col­lab­o­ration that we have with munici­palities.

      And one thing that I will say, the member opposite said they didn't want to make this partisan and then started talking about things that are clearly partisan, part of the reason that–[interjection]–well, no, part of the reason that we're having these issues is because, while–and I know you weren't a part of this gov­ern­ment at this time, member for La Vérendrye (Mr. Narth)–but when you cut almost 39 per cent of a de­part­ment and you create a two-year backlog in terms of requests for safety issues, that directly affects families like that family of five, like that person on the motorcycle that I responded to.

      And so every­thing we do in here is political, so don't pretend that it's not. It's offensive, frankly. And so when we have these discussions–

An Honourable Member: Tell those people.

MLA Pankratz: This is exactly what I'm telling them: we col­lab­o­rate with members from munici­palities every day. We're constantly collaborating. We're trying to work through the backlog that was created under the gov­ern­ment that is sitting in the op­posi­tion benches now.

      And we agree that there should be more con­ver­sa­tion around what's going on in munici­palities and the speed limits and we listen to those requests and we work through them. And we've hired more staff to try to work through those things more quickly. And so it is–it's disappointing that I hear laughter from the other side when I talk about col­lab­o­ration, frankly.

      You know–and I will say that the father in this story that I was speaking about ended up being a family friend of a good friend of mine. He ended up in the hospital for six months. He had bilateral femur factures, he had multiple broken ribs, a fractured pelvis–and it was all around a speed issue, spe­cific­ally on our highways here. This was back–it would've been 2016, I believe, this happened.

      So these aren't hypotheticals; these are everyday realities. And yes, we're talking about school zones, about kids, about keeping kids safe, about crosswalks within munici­palities and how our highways run through those. And I know that our Minister of Trans­por­tation and Infra­structure (MLA Naylor) is working in­cred­ibly hard to work through that backlog of re­quests for safety issues.

      And so–listen, we're going to keep on collaborating, we're going to keep on working with experts on grassroots realities and hearing from munici­pal leaders to make sure that we're getting that actual grassroots feedback from the people who are living it and seeing it every day.

      So we're working through that backlog, like I  said. But I also just want to make a quick point about speed generally and the fact that, when we have these increases or decreases, we have to look at making sure that we don't have a patchwork approach here, right, that we have some sort of con­ver­sa­tion between the prov­incial gov­ern­ment and the munici­palities as well.

      So we are restoring co‑ordinated safety reviews. We're modernizing standards across the province. We're doing it with munici­palities at the table. I know that my colleagues were just at AMM and had some fantastic con­ver­sa­tions with leaders across this prov­ince.

      There's also a piece of work that's been doing that I noticed as I was reading through this from our gov­ern­ment, so we committed to a blue-ribbon infra­structure panel that ensures Manitobans get the roads and highways that they need. And that is also being developed through careful con­sul­ta­tion, right? We'll partner with those com­mu­nities across the province to build the roads, the bridges, the highways, the vertical infra­structure, the water infra­structure of the future, and that panel will head up the Manitoba gov­ern­ment's infra­structure strategy.

      So as the member opposite mentioned, you know, our infra­structure is also closely tied to our economic dev­elop­ment, right, and this will create jobs, it'll support economic growth and help those munici­palities grow in the best way possible. And it's also a critical step here in the Manitoba gov­ern­ment's commit­ment to create those 10,000 new jobs for Manitobans.

      So the Minister of Infra­structure and Trans­por­tation has also been installing new traffic lights, widened the highway to prevent pedestrian casualties at–on 59.

      In 2022, actually, one of the MLAs–who I won't mention here because they may be sitting in a Chair at  this point–but intro­duced a bill which would strengthen prov­incial laws to keep highways clear of snow so that families can stay safer.

      And, you know, a major highway has to be cleared of snow and sanded within four hours of the end of a storm, so highways that are part of the regional network would have to be prepared within eight hours, and that's been followed now to make sure that folks stay safe when they're driving on our Manitoba highways.

      So, unfor­tunately, 10 minutes goes far too quickly here for these private member bill debates, but I want to thank again all of the members of AMM who are in attendance and munici­pal leaders who are here today. We ap­pre­ciate the work that you do. We know how hard you work for the people in your com­mu­nity, and we are absolutely committed to making sure that we continue con­ver­sa­tions with you about how we can make your com­mu­nities safer.

      I think that what we've heard from you is that you want part­ner­ship, you want predictability and you want safety in your com­mu­nities. And that is exactly what we are committing to today.

Mr. Trevor King (Lakeside): Hon­our­able Speaker, I thank you for the op­por­tun­ity to stand here today and put a few words on the record for the great bill that my colleague from La Vérendrye has bought forward.

      But first I do–I want to welcome the munici­pal officials in the gallery today. Some of them I've had over the years the op­por­tun­ity to work with personally as a munici­pal official and now again, today, as the critic continue to com­muni­cate with them. So I thank you for being here today in your support of this bill that my colleague has brought forward.

      I spent 12 years in munici­pal gov­ern­ment; eight years, as well, on the AMM board. And as the  mem­ber opposite talks about emergency response, I spent 15 years–before becoming a munici­pal official, I  spent 15 years on our volunteer fire­fighter de­part­ment in the RM of Woodlands. So ex­per­ienced many of those situations, as well, that the member opposite talked about as far as being an emergency responder.

      Now, this bill, Bill 222 that the member from La Vérendrye has brought forward, is some­thing that muni­­ci­palities have been asking for for years, in all the years that I was on munici­pal gov­ern­ment. I have the small com­mu­nities–many small com­mu­nities through­out Lakeside: Warren, where I live; Woodlands; Marquette; Stonewall. Just to name a few that many these prov­incial highways run through.

      And many times we've had the discussion about how we could lower the speed limit to make those com­mu­nities safer. Hon­our­able Speaker, I don't want to take up all my time if I can help it, but I've got many words to say because I know my colleagues across the aisle there have got some great things to say about this legis­lation as well. So I want to give them that op­por­tun­ity.

      But, you know, the AMM have brought these reso­lu­tions forward to gov­ern­ments many a times, and I just want to say, in 2023 during the PC gov­ern­ment, and I know I wasn't here at that time, but AMM had the most successes with reso­lu­tions brought forward to gov­ern­ment.

      So what I want to challenge to the members opposite is to see if they can outdo that by listening to munici­palities on their request for things like Bill 222. So I challenge the gov­ern­ment across the aisle to see if they can beat those successes that the previous gov­ern­ment did in those wins for AMM and the munici­palities in Manitoba.

      After all, we are told that they're a listening gov­ern­ment. So this is one very im­por­tant issue that I  think we can all agree on. We're­–the NDP gov­ern­ment could listen and join us in passing this great legislation. And I just want to put a few things on the record that I think, you know, makes this good legis­lation.

      We–you know, we believe that local knowledge does lead to better decision making. And munici­palities are the ones that are most familiar with their traffic patterns, their collision hot spots, their pedes­trian activity and their growth trends. So I think it's im­por­tant that we listen to those grassroots local areas with our safety concerns. And, of course, they can account for their unique local con­di­tions: the school zones, their tourist zones, their com­mercial districts and the high-risk intersections that the prov­incial standards may not fully capture.

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      I know the–our De­part­ment of Infra­structure works hard to do what they need to do to keep our com­mu­nities safe, but I think it's really im­por­tant that we listen to our local people on what they see go­ing on in their com­mu­nity.

      It's–this legis­lation is going to  improve safety out­comes. Local gov­ern­ments can react more quickly to emerging safety concerns, I think, than the prov­incial government can.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, that's the thing I find since I've been elected to–as an MLA from–coming from being a munici­pal official. Things can happen a lot faster in local gov­ern­ments and munici­palities than it can in this Chamber, I can see that quite obviously.

      Tailoring speed limits to local contexts, like your curves, your congestion, your roadside dev­elop­ment, it reduces collisions and serious injuries in our com­mu­nities. And it aligns with our com­mu­nity values as well, Honourable Speaker. Residents often expect lower, more carefully managed speeds in their popu­la­ted areas, so–and it gives com­mu­nities a stronger voice in prioritizing livability, walkability and noise reduction.

      So, being involved in munici­pal gov­ern­ment, there's a lot of planning in your com­mu­nities that go on: dev­elop­ments and whatnot. So those are the ones that are most involved in that planning in their com­mu­nities. So setting these speed limits to make those parts of their com­mu­nities is a big part of it. And again, a faster response to that change. Much faster changing these policies and procedures in our local com­mu­nities than it is coming out of this building, and consistency with the local planning initiatives.

      And it enhances the en­force­ment of it too, Honour­able Speaker. And our local police and service bylaw en­force­ment may have better insight into where speeding is actually–is a problem.

      And when munici­palities set the limits, they can ensure en­force­ment resources align with their safety priorities. And municipalities are better positioned to consult the residents that live there, respond to their concerns and com­muni­cate why changes are actually being made.

      And trans­par­ency and com­mu­nity buy-in are actually easier to achieve at the local level. So if your municipalities are setting these speed limits in your com­mu­nities, the people in your com­mu­nity are more likely to abide by those speed rules and much likely that more enforcement is less needed.

      So, Hon­our­able Speaker, I could go on and on. I  know some of my colleagues across the aisle are looking forward to putting some great words on the record to this resolution. I fully encourage everyone in this Chamber to support this reso­lu­tion, to help make our com­mu­nities safer and support the decisions and advocation of our com­mu­nity leaders.

      So, with that, Hon­our­able Speaker, I thank you.

MLA Robert Loiselle (St. Boniface): It's a pleasure to have the chance to speak about Bill 222 this morning.

      I know that the bill comes from a good place. I  recog­nize that at the munici­pal level there are a lot of hard-working people in our municipal com­mu­nities that, you know, do have their com­mu­nities at heart. I  know that AMM is here this morning. I've had the chance to work closely with them over the last couple of years. Also the AMBM com­mu­nities. Let's not forget as well that we have a lot of Indigenous com­mu­nities across Manitoba and that this bill would affect all of those com­mu­nities.

      As the member for Lakeside (Mr. King) pointed out, we are a listening government. In fact, AMM asked us to consider a 2 per cent increase escalator in their funding, and, in fact, we met them, exactly, at that ask. For seven and a half years, I'm pretty sure there was no escalator, and it was at zero per cent for seven and a half years; it was flatline. So yes, we are a listening gov­ern­ment.

      But this bill, to me, brings across a couple of im­por­tant points. First of all, there's safety. And second of all, there's standards. I know that the member of Waverley who was a first responder, a fire­fighter, spoke about the safety aspect. But safety and stan­dards go hand in hand, and I know that the member from La Vérendrye often talks about com­mon sense.

      When it comes to safety, when it comes to an accident on the road, when it comes to someone needing help and EMS having to be deployed, I'm not sure we want common sense to be part of a life‑saving event.

An Honourable Member: Let's clip that.

MLA Loiselle: No, but let's be serious about this for a second. Because common sense doesn't replace prov­incial standards when it comes to safety and it doesn't replace prov­incial standards when it comes to our roads, our bridges, our highways, our bypasses, et cetera. We need prov­incial standards.

      So it's im­por­tant that we consider those things and I know that the members have spent a number of years at the munici­pal level, but at the prov­incial level and the national level and the inter­national level, we have to consider safety and standards at those levels.

      You know, just recently I certified with the Canadian Ski Patrol. I'm a first responder as well. I  didn't certify with the La Vérendrye ski patrol or the Piney ski patrol or the Winnipeg ski patrol. I certified with the national ski patrol because there are national standards when it comes to saving people's lives and ensuring that they are safe when they drive through our towns, through our cities, on our highways, all right.

      So I want to make sure that we're con­sid­ering prov­incial standards when it comes to safety and when it comes to prov­incial assets like highways, having spent a lot of time with our AMBM partners.

French spoken

      L'Honorable Président, ce projet de loi permettra aux municipalités d'établir elle‑même les limites de vitesse sur les routes provinciales situées dans les zones urbaines jusqu'à 90 kilomètres à l'heure, sans supervision coordonnée de la Province.

      Les Manitobains s'attendent à ce que nous utilisons le temps législatif pour améliorer la sécurité, l'abordabilité et les infrastructures, pas pour adopter des mesures qui rendent les routes plus dangereuses et embrouillent les conducteurs.

      La vitesse contribue déjà à des milliers de collisions chaque année, et ce projet de loi risque d'aggraver la situation en créant des limites plus élevées et incohérentes sur les routes provinciales qui traversent plusieurs de nos communautés.

      Au lieu de renforcer la sécurité routière, les Conservateurs proposent un système fragmenté qui nuit à l'application de la loi, augmente les risques pour les piétons et les automobilistes, et ignore les objectifs à long terme du Manitoba en matière de transport et de climat.

      Les Manitobains ont été clairs. Ils veulent des rues plus sûres, des limites qui sont prévisibles et un gouvernement qui place la sécurité publique avant la commodité. Le Projet de loi 222 fait exactement le contraire.

      Nous continuerons de mettre l'accent sur la sécurité des Manitobains et des Manitobaines, point final. Le renforcement des infrastructures et de la con­struction du système de transport qui soutient la crois­sance, la durabilité et la sécurité à long terme de toutes les communautés.

      Le Projet de loi 222 propose de permettre aux autorités locales, telles que les municipalités, d'établir des limites de vitesse sur les routes provinciales situées dans les zones urbaines sous leur juridiction jusqu'à 90 kilomètres à l'heure sans nécessiter l'appro­bation provinciale. Bien qu'il inclue une exigence d'avis et de normes pour les signalisations, il déplace essentiellement les décisions hors du cadre provincial coordonné.

      Ce projet de loi est inutile et dangereux, quand il compromet la sécurité routière, crée des règlements incohérents et ignore les objectifs plus larges du Manitoba en matière de transport et de climat.

      Il faut comprendre que les routes provinciales sont essentielles pour relier les communautés, le commerce et les services d'urgence – c'est essentiel. Fragmenter l'autorité sur celles‑ci entraînerait de la confusion, des risques accrus pour les conducteurs et les piétons, ainsi que des défis en matière de l'appli­cation de la loi.

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      Notre principe directeur est simple : la sécurité publique doit primer sur la commodité.

      La vitesse est déjà un facteur majeur dans les collisions mortelles au Manitoba. 'Cession' – Selon MPI, la vitesse est déjà un facteur dans 30 pour cent des décès ici au Manitoba liés à la circulation en 2023. De 2022 à 2024, 10 499 collisions liées à la vitesse ont été enregistrées, entraînant 68 décès de trop et plus de 2 200 blessures.

      De plus, les études récentes d'Autopac montrent déjà que 40 pour cent – 40 pour cent – 40 pour cent des véhicules dépassent déjà les limites de vitesse, et  que les super‑excès de vitesse, soit de plus de 50 kilomètres à l'heure, sont en hausse.

      Au lieu d'augmenter les limites de vitesse, nous devrions renforcer l'application et l'éducation. Ce projet de loi d'ailleurs n'en parle pas. Où est la composante de l'éducation dans ce projet de loi ? On n'en parle pas.

      Les conducteurs s'attendent à de la clarté. Si ce projet de loi est adopté, les limites pourraient varier considérablement sur une même route provinciale à mesure qu'elle traverse différemment d'une munici­palité à l'autre – 70 kilomètres dans une ville, 90 dans la suivante. Cette incohérence augmente les risques d'infraction et de collision.

      Les experts en transport s'accordent à dire que des limites uniformes sont essentielles pour la sécurité et la commodité à travers la province. Fragmenter 'lautorini' – l'autorité créera des casse-têtes pour la police et de la confusion pour les conducteurs, particu­lièrement en transition en zones rurales et urbaines.

      Le Projet de loi 222 se concentre également trop étroitement sur les limites de vitesse sans tenir compte des engagements climatiques et du transport des Manitobains et des Manitobaines.

Translation

This bill will allow municipalities to set their own speed limits on provincial highways in urban areas up to 90 kilometres per hour, without co‑ordinated over­sight from the Province.

Manitobans expect us to use legislative time to improve safety, affordability and infrastructure, not to pass measures that make roads more dangerous and confuse drivers.

Speed already contributes to thousands of collisions each year, and this bill risks making the situation worse by creating higher and inconsistent limits on provincial highways that run through several of our communities.

Instead of improving road safety, the Conservatives are proposing a fragmented system that undermines enforcement, increases risks for pedestrians and motorists and ignores Manitoba's long‑term trans­portation and climate goals.

Manitobans have been clear. They want safer streets, limits that are predictable and a government that puts public safety before convenience. Bill 222 does exact­ly the opposite.

We will continue to focus on the safety of Manitobans–period. Strengthening infrastructure and building a transportation system that supports the long‑term growth, sustainability and safety of all communities.

Bill 222 proposes to allow local authorities, such as municipalities, to set speed limits on provincial highways in urban areas under their jurisdiction up to 90 kilometres per hour without requiring prov­incial approval. While it includes a requirement for notice and standards for signage, it essentially moves decisions out of the co‑ordinated provincial framework.

This bill is unnecessary and dangerous, as it compro­mises road safety, creates inconsistent regulations, and ignores Manitoba's broader transportation and climate goals.

It must be understood that provincial highways are essential for connecting communities, trade and emer­gency services–this is critical. Fragmenting authority over them would lead to confusion, increased risks for drivers and pedestrians, and enforcement challenges.

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Our guiding principle is simple: public safety must take precedence over convenience.

Speed is already a major factor in fatal collisions in Manitoba. According to MPI, speed is already a factor in 30 per cent of traffic‑related deaths here in Manitoba in 2023. From 2022 to 2024, 10,499 speed‑related crashes were recorded, resulting in 68 unnecessary deaths and more than 2,200 injuries.

In addition, recent Autopac studies already show that 40 per cent–40 per cent–40 per cent of vehicles already exceed speed limits, and that super‑speeding, or speeds over 50 kilometres per hour, is on the rise.

Instead of raising speed limits, we should strengthen enforcement and education. This bill does not mention that. Where is the education component in this bill? It is not mentioned.

Drivers expect clarity. If this bill is passed, limits could vary significantly on the same provincial highway as it crosses from one municipality to another–70 kilometres in one city, 90 in the next. This inconsistency increases the risk of violations and collisions.

Transportation experts agree that consistent limits are essential for safety and convenience across the province. Fragmenting authority will create head­aches for police and confusion for drivers, especially when transitioning between rural and urban areas.

Bill 222 also focuses too narrowly on speed limits with­out considering climate commitments and the trans­portation needs of Manitobans.

English

      So, Hon­our­able Speaker, I want to come back to safety and standards. We want our roads to be safe. We don't want to create roads with speed limits that are confusing from point A to point B.

      And my last point is that this bill does not keep into account the education piece. So imagine a patchwork of roads where speed limits go from anywhere from 30 kilometres an hour to 90 kilometres an hour from one city to the next. How are we going to keep our edu­ca­tion system and our driver safety system up to par on teaching people what those safety standards are and those speed limits, Hon­our­able Speaker?

      Merci. Miigwech. Thank you.

MLA Jeff Bereza (Portage la Prairie): I just want to put a couple of words on the record, here.

      First of all, I want to apologize to the AMM members that heard some of these comments here today. And I want to mention to the members across the way, some of the comments that were made here today undermine road safety; 100 kilometres per hour past a sidewalk is not public safety.

      Right now, decisions about speed limits on prov­incial highway–prov­incial roads, PR roads, are made by the minister of transport and the De­part­ment of Trans­por­tation, often far removed from the daily reali­ties that local leaders deal with.

      Local officials are the ones who we see first-hand how traffic flows near schools, farms, resi­den­tial areas. They hear from the residents. They understand the needs and the concerns of their own com­mu­nities better than anyone–anyone–in a downtown Winnipeg office ever could.

      Despite that, the NDP gov­ern­ment has refused to listen. They've dismissed the concerns of all you local leaders and ignored Manitobans who have re­peat­edly asked for safer, more ap­pro­priate speed limits. This is a sig­ni­fi­cant public safety issue, yet the gov­ern­ment has not taken it seriously. And that simply is unac­ceptable.

      To the AMM that it's in the audience today: This bill will pass. This bill will pass either by us or the NDP will take it–

An Honourable Member: Point of order.

Point of Order

The Speaker: The hon­our­able member for St. Boniface (MLA Loiselle), on a point of order.

MLA Loiselle:  It seems like the MLA for Portage la Prairie is trying to engage with people in the gallery. I believe that's against the rules.

The Speaker: The hon­our­able Op­posi­tion House Leader, on the same point of order.

Mr. Derek Johnson (Official Opposition House Leader): Yes, on the same point of order, it's very common that we refer to guests when they're in here. And the member said he apologizes to AMM; he didn't actually start a con­ver­sa­tion with anybody in the gallery.

      This is ridiculous and it's not a point of order. The member is just trying to create stall tactics and he's failing miserably. [interjection]

The Speaker: Order, please.

      I do believe that the member may, in fact, have a point of order because I was about to call the member for attempting to engage members in the gallery. So I'd caution all members, as I did yesterday, to make sure we're not engaging members in the gallery.

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MLA Bereza: Thank you for your direction, Hon­our­able Speaker.

      We urge the op­posi­tion to join us to unanimously pass this today.

      Thank you, Hon­our­able Speaker.

Mr. Tyler Blashko (Lagimodière): It's a pleasure to rise this Thursday morning, last day before session comes to a close for the season. Happy to have folks from the AMM in the gallery–

An Honourable Member: He's engaging.

Mr. Blashko: I won't engage. I apologize. [interjection]

The Speaker: Order, please.

Mr. Blashko: And yes, I think part­ner­ships with local leaders, working together to make sure our com­mu­nities are safe–that's what our gov­ern­ment's all about, hearing from local people impacted by the realities and also the decisions we're making, but also, like, safety is an–is of utmost importance for all Manitobans.

      So I think I'm going to–I'll start with just outlining some of the road safety measures our gov­ern­ment has taken over our time in gov­ern­ment.

      So our gov­ern­ment has always prioritized highway safety in Manitoba. We committed to a blue-ribbon infra­structure panel that ensures Manitobans get the roads and highways they need. We will partner with com­mu­nities across the province to build the roads, bridges, highways and vertical infra­structure and water infra­structure of the future. The panel will head up the Manitoba gov­ern­ment's infra­structure strategy to create jobs, support economic growth and help munici­palities grow in the best way possible. This an­nounce­ment is a critical step in the Manitoba–in Manitoba gov­ern­ment's commit­ment to create 10,000 new jobs for Manitobans.

      We installed new traffic lights and widened the highway to prevent pedestrian casualties at the intersection of Prov­incial Trunk Highway 59 north, with Bison Drive, Anishinaabe Way.

      In 2002, a very well‑respected MLA intro­duced a bill that would strengthen prov­incial laws to keep highways clear of snow so that families can safely travel. A major highway must be cleared of snow and sanded within four hours of the end of a storm. Highways that are part of the regional network must be prepared within eight hours of plowing and gravel or service roads must be plowed within 48 hours–

The Speaker: Order, please.

      I would ask the member to please keep his com­ments relevant to the bill we're discussing here this morning.

Mr. Blashko: I ap­pre­ciate the guidance, Hon­our­able Speaker.

      So yes, safety is a really im­por­tant piece of what our Minister of Infra­structure and Transportation–what she considers in her work, what her de­part­ment does. And it's done in part­ner­ship with Minister of Public Service Delivery (MLA Sandhu), minister of busi­ness, job creation, mining and trades. And so it's really an all-of-gov­ern­ment priority, the safety of Manitobans. And so I just want to–I'll leave those comments there.

      But maybe we can look at some of the steps the PCs took around safety in com­mu­nities and along streetways. The members opposite are claiming to put Manitobans first, but during their time in gov­ern­ment, they continually failed to prioritized the future and safety of the next gen­era­tion of Manitobans, showing–

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The Speaker: Order, please.

      When this matter is again before the House, the hon­our­able member for Lagimodière will have seven minutes remaining.

Resolutions

Res. 1–Affordability and the Economy

The Speaker: The hour is now 11 a.m. and time for private members' reso­lu­tions. The reso­lu­tion before us this morning is the reso­lu­tion on Affordability and the Economy, brought forward by the hon­our­able member for La Vérendrye.

Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): I move–[interjection]

The Speaker: Order.

Mr. Narth: –seconded by the member for Roblin (Mrs. Cook),

WHEREAS the Provincial Government has made multiple disingenuous commitments to Manitobans regarding household affordability, specifically committing to lowering grocery prices; and

WHEREAS since this Provincial Government took office, Statistics Canada has calculated Manitoba's food inflation rate at 7.7 per cent despite commit­ments to Manitobans to reduce these costs; and

WHEREAS the Provincial Government's half mea­sures have made no tangible impact on the price of groceries; and

WHEREAS one in four Manitobans struggle to put food on their table while 42 per cent of Manitobans are struggling to make ends meet; and

WHEREAS the recent decisions of the Provincial Government to increase income taxes and school taxes on every Manitoban will compound the affordability and cost of living crisis; and

WHEREAS the Manitoba employment rate has plum­meted, meaning more unemployed Manitobans stru­ggling to meet basic needs; and

WHEREAS declining employment opportunities are forcing Manitobans to pursue work beyond provincial borders; and

WHEREAS youth unemployment has risen sub­stantially under the Provincial Government, mean­ing youth have fewer opportunities to look forward to in the province; and

WHEREAS Manitoba's rate of inflation is the second highest amongst all the provinces; and

WHEREAS property taxes and other taxes are 19.5 per cent higher year over year; and

WHEREAS the provincial economy is struggling under the management of the current Prov­incial Government, leading to higher taxes, higher fees and rates that are making life more unaffordable for all Manitobans.

      THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Legis­lative Assembly of Manitoba call on the prov­incial gov­ern­ment to apologize and urge it to imme­diately fulfill the promises made to Manitobans by aban­doning reckless policies and supporting real economic growth in Manitoba to address the ongoing afford­ability crisis.

Motion presented.

Mr. Narth: It is a true honour to rise today and move this private members' reso­lu­tion entitled Affordability and the Economy. What we saw just before this, and the unwillingness of the prov­incial gov­ern­ment to support local repre­sen­tation and local munici­palities, is exactly why we're seeing such a traumatic downturn in our economic strength in this province, afford­ability for residents from corner to corner, north to south, urban centre and rural com­mu­nities.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, this reso­lu­tion is not an­chored in partisanship. It is anchored in people, data and con­se­quences. It is anchored in the unmistakeable reality that Manitoba families are being squeezed. Household incomes are shrinking and economic op­por­tun­ity is being smothered by the gov­ern­ment that refuses to act: this NDP gov­ern­ment.

      Today's debate is about more than the rising cost of essentials; it is about the rising ensuring of un­certainty driven by an out-of-touch NDP gov­ern­ment that increases taxes, increases regula­tion, increases bureaucracy, but cannot increase jobs, invest­ment or affordability to justify it.

      Let's look at the facts Manitobans are living through today. Unfor­tunately and very con­cern­ingly, nearly half of Manitobans live within $200 of monthly insolvency. These are facts. Average disposable funds left after monthly expenses have plummeted by nearly $250, the single largest drop of any province in the entire country. That's what Manitoba under this gov­ern­ment has to be proud of.

      Twenty-five per cent of Manitobans have reduced utility con­sump­tion to cope with that; 20 per cent report eating less to save money, now forced into a heat or eat decision. How con­cern­ing is that, Hon­our­able Speaker? Food inflation in Manitoba has climbed 7.7 per cent since this gov­ern­ment took office, and that's according to Statistics Canada.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, those numbers are not abstract, they are alarms. But affordability does not collapse in isolation, it collapses alongside the op­por­tun­ity. And right now, this gov­ern­ment is failing Manitobans on both fronts. Because while families are tightening their belts, this gov­ern­ment is tightening the chokehold of bureaucracy.

      Industry is not fleeing Manitoba because Manitobans lack ingenuity. They're fleeing because ministers are lacking urgency. Manufacturers, miners, pro­ces­sors, loggers, investors–they are not leaving for better weather; they are not–they are leaving for better gov­ern­ment.

      This gov­ern­ment is chasing busi­ness out of Manitoba because ministers listen, apparently, nod and then shelve. Industry raises concerns, get silence; licensing files sit for years, as we've seen with Bill 222; regula­tions stack like sandbags; approvals crawl like winter sludge; and red tape is admired, not reduced.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, red tape is not harmless paperwork anymore, it is economic shackles. Busi­nesses cannot make money while waiting for answers, and if busi­nesses cannot make money, they cannot hire Manitobans. And if Manitobans cannot be hired, they cannot afford Manitoba anymore. It's quite that simple.

      And, Hon­our­able Speaker, this gov­ern­ment refuses to provide the one thing industry needs most, action on the warnings that they give. Let me give an example. A Manitoba quota-holding logging company in eastern Manitoba, Deadwood Trucking, was forced to shut down, lay off staff and move operations into Ontario after this gov­ern­ment refused to reduce timber dues, reduce approval friction or level the competitive playing field.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, these are real Manitobans. This isn't a big industry that we're talking about in a broad scope. These are real people. This example is the Roch family from Sprague, Manitoba. Their address is still Sprague, Manitoba. They love our province. They love that corner of the province. They call Manitoba home.

      But they also need to make a living. They want to make a living doing what they love: an industry that apparently is supported, not outlawed, in this province. But, because of gov­ern­ment regula­tion and restriction, they are being shackled within this province.

      I've raised concerns. They've raised concerns. Their industry association has raised concerns, given pre­sen­ta­tions. And yet, the minister respon­si­ble for Natural Resources has done nothing; can't even raise an eyebrow as he sits in the Chamber today, and that's con­cern­ing, Hon­our­able Speaker.

      Every job that leaves Manitoba is a paycheque no longer spent in this province. The example of that company, laid off every single one of their employees–every single one of their employees–in a com­mu­nity in the far southeast corner of our province that has limited em­ploy­ment to start with.

      Know what that translates into? That translates into more people at the food bank. More people struggling to make ends meet. More people that look at their children at the end of the month, not knowing how they're going to afford food, hydro or the fuel in their cars and the maintenance to get them to a dif­ferent job in a different com­mu­nity. That's the reality.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, every busi­ness that shuts down removes family income from the ledger, local tax con­tri­bu­tions from the com­mu­nity and future affordability from young Manitobans.

      And we are seeing this pattern everywhere: 4,000 manufacturing jobs evaporated last August alone–one month, 4,000 manufacturing jobs–and Manitoba isn't known as the Canadian manufacturing hub; 4,000 jobs is a lot of families now answering to those children.

      Mining approval timelines now stretch longer than other provinces' entire project life cycles. Let that sink in. It takes longer in Manitoba to approve a mine than a mine has a life cycle in another province.

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      Value-added agri­cul­ture is moving west–and I bring up these real-world examples, the NDP laugh. They laugh, they say, oh, where are you getting that from? I'm getting it from the minister's desk, because I've been included in the same cor­res­pon­dences they are. Unfor­tunately, I'm not sure what they're so busy with doing, but they can't check their emails, they can't open letters and they can't respond to phone calls. Not sure what they're doing, but, unfor­tunately, Manitobans and families across this province are now needing to make tough decisions.

      And, Hon­our­able Speaker, it's extremely con­cern­ing. It's extremely con­cern­ing because you cannot make Manitoba affordable by making Manitoba industry unaffordable. We have a land of plenty but we do not currently have shared prosperity.

      Hon­our­able Speaker, I will say this plainly in the record: no Manitoba–no Manitoban should ever be hungry, no Manitoban should ever have to choose between rent or food and no Manitoban should ever have to choose between eating or heating. That is why affordability is economic policy and it is why regula­tory responsiveness must be affordability policy.

      And, Hon­our­able Speaker, that is why I move this reso­lu­tion today, so that this gov­ern­ment can address the real problems facing real Manitobans each and every day and at the end of every month.

      Thank you, Hon­our­able Speaker.

Questions

The Speaker: A question period of up to 10 minutes will be held. Questions may be addressed in the following sequence: first question may be addressed by a member from another party; any subsequent questions must follow a rotation between parties; each independent member may ask one question. No question or answer shall exceed 45 seconds. 

      The floor is now open for questions.

MLA David Pankratz (Waverley): Well, the members opposite seem to be more interested in our TikTaks [phonetic] or our social media accounts, inexplicably. We're doing the work of trying to actually make life more affordable for people here in Manitoba.

      I'm just wondering how many of the member opposite's con­stit­uents have asked him whether–or sort of supported the idea that it was a good affordability measure to give their leader half a million dollars, or to cut cheques for billionaires–maybe which one of those worked better for his con­stit­uents as an affordability measure?

Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): I'd like to thank the member opposite for at least starting the con­ver­sa­tion, anyways.

      Con­stit­uents of mine are examples that I've brought forward in front of this Legislature. It's NPI, an ag pro­ces­sor in southeastern Manitoba; it's Deadwood Trucking; it's La Broquerie Transfer; it is Law-Marot, the grain-dryer company. These are people that are being affected by the lack of action of this gov­ern­ment.

      They're not able to provide the good jobs they were once able to provide, so that is what people are concerned about. These are millions of dollars–the member opposite talks about a $500,000 grant, these are people that generate–

The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

Mrs. Kathleen Cook (Roblin): The member touched on a really im­por­tant topic in his answer to that question, and I'm just wondering if he could expand on that and tell us more about how the failure of the NDP gov­ern­ment to stand up for producers and agri­cul­ture in our province has impacted the ability of farmers to put food on their own families' tables?

Mr. Narth: I'd like to thank the member for Roblin for bringing up that great question, because the ag sector–the agri­cul­ture sector of Manitoba is one of the powerhouses of our economy. Unfortunately, now, under this gov­ern­ment and under this minister, it has fallen stagnant.

      It has fallen stagnant because this gov­ern­ment is not able to negotiate unique deals to combat the tariffs of our current customers to the south in the United States. It's unable to clear the regula­tory backlog that's preventing businesses from growing, expanding or even remaining in our province.

      So that's what we're hearing from everyday Manitobans in the agri­cul­ture sector is that we need to clear the regula­tory backlog to allow–

The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

MLA Pankratz: The member opposite knows that many of his con­stit­uents are better off now under our gov­ern­ment with the home affordability tax credit that they receive every year. He also knows that while we're working for everyday Manitobans, they were sending cheques to billionaires.

      I was just wondering if he could comment on con­stit­uents who've maybe reached out regarding other affordability measures like free birth control with–which over 110,000 Manitobans have benefitted from.

Mr. Narth: Busi­nesses in my con­stit­uency and I'd say busi­nesses across Manitoba that provide jobs to everyday Manitobans–none of them have reached out to me about free birth control; not a single one, unfor­tunately. I'm not saying that it's not im­por­tant, but I'm also not–I'm also saying that is not what's building our economy. That's not what's provi­ding jobs and that's not what make–that is not what is making sure that people pay their hydro bill at the end of the month.

      Home affordability rebates–not a single con­stit­uent of mine said that they're better off under this govern­ment than they were under the previous PC govern­ment.

Mrs. Carrie Hiebert (Morden-Winkler): One of the things that we hear a lot about is how they brought in this gas tax.

      And I'm just going to say, can the member please tell us in the Chamber how a single mother who doesn't own a car or a parent who has to walk to–their kids to school and they don't have money and they need to go to the feed–food bank–how the gas tax helps that family with affordability?

Mr. Narth: I'd like to thank the member for Morden-Winkler for bringing that question forward. Yes, there is a number of families that were not affected by the gas tax holiday that this NDP hangs their hat on being the single only affordability item they've brought forward.

      And unfor­tunately, I think most Manitobans now see the bait-and-switch tactics that were behind the gas tax holiday, because it gave Manitobans a break on taxes for a year but has now bombarded them with dozens and dozens of new taxes in the millions of dollars that is adding to the deficit of our Province and also subtracting from the bottom line–

The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

MLA Pankratz: I ap­pre­ciate that the member brought up single mothers here in Manitoba. We're doing a ton to support them, whether it's the gas tax that we've cut, saving them money every time they take their kids to hockey or soccer, or it's free birth control or reopening the new Women's Health Clinic, which was closed under the PCs.

      I'm just wondering if the member opposite would care to comment at all on some of the affordability measures we've brought forward to help with women's health spe­cific­ally and single mothers here in Manitoba?

Mr. Narth: Thank you for the question. I think what's more im­por­tant is the large picture, economic position and strength of our province.

      Like I said in my pre­sen­ta­tion that, you know, a strengthened private sector strengthens good jobs for Manitobans. And the domino effect, the trickle down, is over­whelming. And we're seeing it; we're seeing 5,000 jobs lost in one month; we're seeing 4,300 manufacturing jobs in that month alone; we're seeing building permits down in September; we're seeing consumer insolvency are up 3.2 per cent; we're seeing the un­em­ploy­ment rate up; we're seeing export–

The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

Mrs. Cook: Can the member tell us about how the NDP's broken promise to not raise taxes is making life more unaffordable for Manitoba families including women, since two thirds of bank users in Manitoba are women?

Mr. Narth: Thank you for that great question.

      Every day, Manitobans are seeing the slippery slope of additional taxes through­out our province. They're seeing it on home properties; people are seeing it for–within additional taxes on all goods that we have throughout our province. These are taxes that are new; these are taxes that are slid into everyday Manitobans' expenses without them noticing it. With­out them raising the prov­incial sales tax, they have managed to raise taxes for all Manitobans.

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MLA Pankratz: Well, since the member opposite is sort of equivocating on the idea of helping moms and single mothers here in Manitoba, I'll mercifully let him off the hook here and move on to some­thing else.

      You know, we have cut–the home affordability tax credit is helping out Manitobans. We cut the gas tax. Now we are freezing hydro rates. While the PCs were in power, they quietly carved it up. Assets were sold out–sold off and expert jobs were shipped away.

      Why should Manitobans trust their economic judgment when they destabilized one of our most important economic Crown jewels?

Mr. Narth: Hon­our­able Speaker, I think all Manitobans need to be made aware of, if they aren't already or tricked into believing some­thing different by this NDP gov­ern­ment, but hydro rates are set by the Public Utilities Board, and, in fact, right now, Manitoba Hydro has before the Public Utilities Board a sub­stan­tial increase and that sub­stan­tial increase is staring Manitobans in the eye, staring Manitobans in the face that are already struggling to pay their hydro bill.

      This gov­ern­ment is misleading Manitobans by saying that they had any role in freezing Manitoba Hydro rates. Instead, they're misleading Manitobans each and every day and making it less–

The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

Mrs. Hiebert: We've heard about how parents are going to the grocery stores and they're having to make decisions between groceries or putting–paying their electric bill or putting–paying their rent. And the–we know that the Premier (Mr. Kinew) promised to cut grocery prices and we've seen nothing but grocery prices going up.

      Can the member please tell us how the higher grocery prices are affecting his con­stit­uents?

Mr. Narth: I'd like to thank the member for that question.

      Each and every day in my con­stit­uency, a con­stit­uency that for the most part is quite prosperous, is seeing food bank usage skyrocketing. And it's a result of regula­tory restrictions and limitations by this gov­ern­ment. So I'll tie that together to industry.

      A company like La Broquerie Transfer, who transfers food products inside our province and also outside our province for producers is now not able to get an SRE policy from this gov­ern­ment through the Manitoba Public Insurance system, making it less affordable for products being delivered to the grocery stores.

      So that's how the inaction of this gov­ern­ment is relating in higher food prices for all Manitobans.

The Speaker: The time for questions has expired.

Debate

The Speaker: The floor is open for debate.

Introduction of Guests

The Speaker: But before we begin the debate, there are some guests in the gallery that I should intro­duce. We have seated in the public gallery, from Lord Selkirk Regional Com­pre­hen­sive Secondary School, 25 grade 9 students under the direction of Trish Hallson, and this group is located in the con­stit­uency of the hon­our­able member for Selkirk (Mr. Perchotte).

      We welcome you here today.

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Hon. Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): I'm really pleased to get a chance to speak to this reso­lu­tion. And I've got to honestly begin, Hon­our­able Speaker, by saying, what a failure from the op­posi­tion. What a failure by the op­posi­tion by bringing forward, in such an insincere way, this reso­lu­tion.

      But even more so, what a failure for their time in past, former gov­ern­ment and their failure to do anything to address real affordability or real economic dev­elop­ment and growth. What a failure their policy is. And so for them to come in here today and pretend like they actually care about affordability or actually care about economic growth, true economic growth, is such a fraud and a failure.

Mrs. Rachelle Schott, Acting Speaker, in the Chair

      And so I want to make sure that Manitobans know quite clearly the actions that we are taking very positively to make sure we grow and sustain our economic success well into the future. And so, hon­our­able deputy Speaker, it's very clear to me to see some of the examples and some of the things that member opposite, member for La Vérendrye (Mr. Narth) brought forward here today is in no basis based on fact. And so I want to disprove some of these issues.

      Talks about some of the regula­tions around permitting quarries. Well, the reality is that the former failed gov­ern­ment left us with a two-and-a-half-year backlog on quarry permits. It's disgraceful–quarries that we're developing to help produce economic activity in rural com­mu­nities; quarries that help to sustain economic activity and build infra­structure, build up our highway network across rural com­mu­nities, were stalled, delayed. I think it must've been in­ten­tionally prevented from moving forward because of their lack of ability to get the job done as a former failed gov­ern­ment. They completely abandoned that quarry system.

      The good news is that our gov­ern­ment is working efficiently and quickly to get the job done. We've cleared the backlog by over 40 per cent already in just the last year. They dug a hole so deep, it was nearly impossible to get out. But, fortunately, you've got a gov­ern­ment that is efficient enough to get the job done. We have the tools to get it done and to find success.

      They actually dug the hole so deep, not only in quarries but in permitting for mines. They were so backlogged and regressive in their approach, they couldn't get a gold mine, that was begging to operate, off the ground. They tried so hard but every effort led to failure to failure to failure to failure to failure.

      What did we do? We worked together. We worked with the munici­pality; we worked with Lynn Lake; we worked with Marcel Colomb, with Mathias Colomb; we worked with Alamos Gold, and we start up a brand new billion-dollar gold mine in northern Manitoba within 18 months of being in gov­ern­ment.

      The list goes on, hon­our­able Speaker. We take not only an approach that grows busi­nesses in our com­mu­nity but also grows em­ploy­ment op­por­tun­ities for Manitobans from all walks of life, from every region in the province. That's why we're happy to continue to show that our workforce is moving forward, with 25,000 new jobs in our province.

      And so member opposite talks about the failures, much of which happened under the former failed gov­ern­ment's time in office, where there were tens of thousands of Manitobans fleeing the province because of the former failed gov­ern­ment and their former failed leaders, but now are keeping and staying and returning and retaining here in Manitoba because of the op­por­tun­ities that we have in place.

      I'll like to make sure members opposite know for the record, and that Manitobans know for the record, that we've created in the last year: 3,400 new construction jobs, that's the third highest rate in the country; 2,700 new wholesale trade jobs, that's the second highest rate in the country; and 1,600 new jobs in agri­cul­ture, the second highest rate in the country. That is actual economic dev­elop­ment that is putting more Manitobans to work. That's how we grow an economy, where we support industry, where we support workers, where people from all walks of life, in every corner of the province, have an op­por­tun­ity to find economic success.

      Now, hon­our­able Speaker, we are working to break down regula­tory red tape. We brought in legis­lation to remove restrictive covenants for the grocery sector, which not only is a direct red tape reduction effort, it also goes to the affordability piece. By bringing in more competition in our grocery sector, we're allowing and forcing companies to be more competitive, to drive down those prices of groceries and actually deliver real and meaningful impacts on affordability for Manitobans.

      Where was this sort of policy under the former failed gov­ern­ment? Nowhere to be seen. Instead, what was their policy? The–some of the biggest land owners and taxpayers in our country–what did they do–they sent them cheques–sent cheques to billion­aires on Bay Street who own properties in Winnipeg, here. Why? Because I guess they have to help out their friends, their billionaire and millionaire friends. That is their policy.

      That was their policy to–how to grow their economy. When they wanted to grow the economy, what did they do? They sent out cheques to their billionaire friends, many of which lived out of province–lived in Ontario. And that was their eco­nomic dev­elop­ment policy.

      When we went to the job site–for seven and a half years–what did we see on the job site? We saw licence plates from Alberta, from Saskatchewan, from Ontario, people from other provinces coming here to take Manitoba jobs. That's not economic policy for success of Manitobans. That helps their billionaire friends.

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      But we take a different approach. We have a jobs agree­ment that's going to put more Manitoba licence plates on the job site, more Manitobans to work and make sure we have an economy that works for Manitobans. Manitoba jobs for Manitobans; it's a simple idea.

      It's radical for the members opposite, who've never considered actually investing in Manitobans. Instead we'll actually do that good work and put more Manitobans to work.

      And, hon­our­able Speaker, we're investing in pri­vate sectors too, to create more op­por­tun­ities here. I  mentioned the new Alamos Gold billion-dollar goldmine. We're also supporting a multitude of industries like our aerospace industry: investing in Magellan and StandardAero, making sure that they have op­por­tun­ities to hire more good workers in Manitobans to build up our aerospace sector, the third-largest in the country.

      Member opposite said–claimed that we don't have manufacturing expertise here in Manitoba. What a shame. We are one of the best manufacturing juris­dic­tions in the entire country. Advanced manufacturing happens here in Manitoba like nowhere else in the country, even nowhere else in the world.

      And I'm very proud about manufacturers here, whether you're manufacturing trucks, ambulances, aerospace sector. This is in­cred­ible work–whether you're manufacturing in the life sciences sector. We have some of the leading researchers, advanced manufacturing tech­no­lo­gy and innovators anywhere in the country, and we should be proud about that.

      We're not only proud of that, but we're investing in those busi­nesses so they can grow even more. Recently I announced invest­ment at Duha colours, which is the leading manufacturer of paint swatches in the world–No. 1 in the world.

      How did they get there? They got there with gov­ern­ment support, but by hiring good Manitoba workers to do what? To work here, work hard. And as they expanded their operations, they bought over their competitor in the United States, and what did they do?

      With our help, working together with gov­ern­ment, they brought those American jobs right back here to Winnipeg so more Manitobans had good-paying jobs. That's how we grow an economy; that's how we Trump-proof an economy to make sure we're not losing jobs to the States but instead we're bringing jobs up from the States right here to Manitoba.

      That's good economic dev­elop­ment policy. That means more jobs and a better quality of life for all Manitobans, something members opposite quite frankly don't understand. They never were able to do this in their time as a former failed gov­ern­ment. Even when they bring this reso­lu­tion forward today, they still fail to understand that very premise.

      And so I want to close, hon­our­able deputy Speaker, by letting people know, not only are we reversing the course from the terrible failure of the former gov­ern­ment, we are actually charting a new course where we're seeing success today by making sure we have one of the lowest un­em­ploy­ment rates and the highest job-creation rates and one of the strongest rates of growth into the future.

      And I want to prove that we have actually really strong credibility in our economic and invest­ment trajectory for the future where we had a recent Conference Board of Canada's outlook for Manitoba–says that Manitoba will join Alberta and Ontario in leading non-resi­den­tial invest­ments between 2027 and 2030.

      That's right, Manitoba will be the leader in the country in non-resi­den­tial invest­ment gains. That is a record we should be proud of. That is a record because of our gov­ern­ment's decision. That is a record because we work together to build a strong economy for all Manitobans.

Mrs. Kathleen Cook (Roblin): I'm very pleased to rise and put a few words on the record today in response to the reso­lu­tion brought forward by my colleague from La Vérendrye, a very good reso­lu­tion–so good I seconded it, in fact.

      But I do want to comment on some of the words that have been put on the record by members opposite, spe­cific­ally the words put on the record by the member for Waverley (MLA Pankratz) during the question period. He stood in his place and he tried to mansplain about women's health and he got quite sanctimonious about it.

      Do you know what the single biggest predictor of a woman's health status is in this province? It's their socioeconomic status. It is–there's a direct link between a woman's ability to put food on the table and their health. It's called social determinants of health; it's widely documented.

      So if the NDP actually care about women's health–if they actually care, they'll focus on im­proving this. Instead they have failed. And I brought receipts, hon­our­able assist­ant deputy Speaker. I'm happy to explain to members opposite exactly how they failed women when it comes to affordability and exactly how that's going to have a direct impact on women's health.

      Food inflation is up 7 per cent. Manitoba leads the country in food inflation. That is a fact. This is after this Premier (Mr. Kinew) promised that he was going to crack down on grocery retailers because he's such a tough guy. And of course he couldn't do that and of course he failed. And now food inflation is up 7 per cent.

      Food bank usage is up. Guess what? Two-thirds of food bank users in this province are women trying to feed their families. And that's not all, hon­our­able assist­ant deputy Speaker. The NDP stopped indexing tax brackets. They stopped indexing the basic personal amount, reducing Manitobans' take-home pay, effectively limiting their spending power at a time when the cost of every­thing is going up. In fact, taxes are up 19.5 per cent in Manitoba this year under the NDP, and that's according to their own de­part­ment statistics. That's from the Manitoba Bureau of Statistics.

      Pharma­care deductibles are up, and the NDP are, in fact, driving up rents in this province. And there's a couple different ways that they've done that. The first is by eliminating property tax rebates for multi-family properties. So what do landlords do in response? They find ways to drive up the rent to recoup those costs.

      The NDP have also created an in­cred­ibly hostile environ­ment for the dev­elop­ment of new housing stock, parti­cularly rental units. This limits supply. So what does that do? Drives up rents. And now we're seeing that, according to StatsCan data released just this week, rents are up 4.5 per cent.

      Who does that impact most? Low-income Manitobans who are renters. This was entirely pre­dictable; we told them this would happen. They didn't care. Un­em­ploy­ment is up, youth em­ploy­ment–un­em­ploy­ment is up. And this statistic shocks me every time I hear it and I think it's worth repeating again, that 42 per cent of Manitobans are less than $200 away from insolvency every month.

      That's shocking, hon­our­able assist­ant deputy Speaker, and not a position that anyone should be in. That's the position they're in under this NDP gov­ern­ment that's taxing them out of the ability to feed their families, that's creating con­di­tions where rents are going up, food prices are going up and failing to address any of those very serious issues. Families are struggling, busi­nesses are struggling.

      And that's why I support the reso­lu­tion put forward by the member for La Vérendrye (Mr. Narth) and I would encourage all members opposite to do the same.

Mr. Diljeet Brar (Burrows): Thank you, hon­our­able deputy Speaker, for the op­por­tun­ity to debate this reso­lu­tion entitled Affordability and the Economy. I  want to thank the member for La Vérendrye for this op­por­tun­ity that he created through this reso­lu­tion.

      And I also want to con­gratu­late him on being a dirt biker champion's dad, a proud dad. So that's the good news when we talk about our next gen­era­tion and parents and us as a society. We see many, many, many positive things happen in our gov­ern­ment, in this society, in our wonderful province.

      And when I think about positivity, I think about our gov­ern­ment and the achievements that we have made the last two years. This reso­lu­tion wants us, the gov­ern­ment, to apologize for what we are doing so far. And they want us to keep our promises that we made during our election. And they say that we should aban­don reckless policies; that's what they say in this reso­lu­tion.

      And some­thing that I notice in this reso­lu­tion is that they want imme­diate action. They want us to work faster than we do. We are doing good things, but they cannot wait to see more positive action from our gov­ern­ment. They are so impatient.

      When we talk about affordability, we need to understand what affordability means. And we need to understand what kind of affordability crisis we are in, if we are in. When I think about affordability in our province, I think that we cannot afford many things.

      For example, Manitoba cannot afford a PC govern­ment again. Manitoba cannot afford writing cheques to billionaires. That is the affordability crisis that we are addressing. And Manitoba cannot afford to sell our Crown cor­por­ations. That is the affordability crisis we are in.

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      Manitoba cannot afford cor­por­ate greed. That's why we need to address this. And Manitoba cannot afford to lose our family farms. That's why we are standing up to address this crisis.

      And the most im­por­tant thing that we need to note, that I have noticed while working with the previous gov­ern­ment, is that we cannot afford arro­gant, dishonest, autocratic and divisive politicians like Pallister and Heather Stefanson.

      Now, they stand up today and suggest to us how to build our economy and how to address affordability issues in Manitoba, just after failing to do the same. I don't play hockey, hon­our­able deputy Speaker. If I stand up and start coaching people that this is how you play hockey, people would laugh at me. Nobody would trust me. What would they say? Go back and learn how to play hockey first.

      They had this opportunity to address the issues that we are debating on the floor today. What did they do? They mismanaged, messed up every­thing. When I think about the previous gov­ern­ment, previous PC gov­ern­ment, there are some key words that hit my head. It reminds me about Cadillac Fairview. It reminds me about the big cheque they wrote to Loblaws under their edu­ca­tion property tax rebate policy. They want to sound like working for regular Manitobans, but actually they are working for billionaires. And people notice that. That's why they're sitting on that side of the Chamber.

      We cannot afford this. That's why people made this choice to hand over the control to our team. When they were in gov­ern­ment–it reminds me today, while debating this reso­lu­tion, is that they paid Brad Wall–I  don't know how much–a lot of money, for con­sul­­tation–for con­sul­ta­tion–how should we manage Manitoba Hydro. Even before he started his work on this file, the results were clear that cuts are coming. So he suggested: sell it.

      Let me remind everybody, all Manitobans, that the affordability crisis in Manitoba is that we cannot afford to sell our Crown corporations.

      They closed ERs. We are opening it. They closed ag offices. We are opening them. And when we talk  about the leadership and accessibility of the elected repre­sen­tatives, it reminds me of my personal ex­per­ience with their leaders at the time. Especially for new members on that side, they need to listen to this.

      The leaders in your team–in their team, through you, hon­our­able deputy Speaker–were not listening. They were not empathetic. They cut Manitoba ag positions. I was one of those people who was impacted by this. I stood up and tried to advocate for myself, tried to talk to the then-Ag minister, and I just requested for 60 seconds of his time to listen to me. How did he respond was, I'm not going to address this. That is arrogance. We cannot afford this arrogance.

      Guess what? I had to resign because they were putting me in a position that was very tough. I had to find my new career path. You know what? Universe revolves in a way that it puts you in a position where you actually get stronger.

      So what happened? I had to run for office and I  won. And I became Ag critic against the same minister who refused to listen to me. And the same minister, that I still respect as a person but not his choices, came to me and said: Con­gratu­la­tions, Gentleman, you did it.

      Sometimes you have to stand up for your people. Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself, even against those odds that I just shared. So our gov­ern­ment knows how to address affordability. And just another example is how accessible this government is that this Saturday we are having holiday open house that PCs discontinued.

      Any Manitoban can walk into the people's building, Manitoba Legislature, and they can walk into the Premier's (Mr. Kinew) office, they can walk into any minister's office, have some treats, have a cup of coffee, shake their minister's hand and discuss their issues and get to know them. That is accessibility.

      And I have 25 seconds left. I would want to say this again that I want to say thank you to the member for La Vérendrye (Mr. Narth) for bringing this reso­lu­tion and I want to con­gratu­late the member for La  Vérendrye for being a champion's dad in dirt biking.

      Thank you, hon­our­able deputy Speaker.

The Acting Speaker (Rachelle Schott): Before recog­nizing the next speaker, I just want to kindly ask folks not to be hollering across at each other. You can do that at the holiday open house where you can speak to each other directly or outside of this Chamber, but no need to be hollering across.

Mrs. Carrie Hiebert (Morden-Winkler): I just–I'm honoured to be able to step–stand up for a few minutes and just put a few words on the record about affordability in our province and how it affects those in Manitoba.

      And I just can't believe that the members opposite are not even listening to this con­ver­sa­tion, because it's im­por­tant. And I want to make sure that we bring attention to the actual issue at hand here. This isn't about yelling across and talking about how somebody did some­thing and one team did or–gov­ern­ment did some­thing.

      And we shouldn't be using this op­por­tun­ity as attacking each other. We should be actually standing up for Manitobans in our province who are struggling every day to put food on the table. And I don't understand why we're sitting here talking about an open house that wasn't cancelled by the previous PCs. We should be talking about affordability. I'm ashamed that that's the con­ver­sa­tion that the other side's bringing forward.

      And I just want to bring some really key im­por­tant points. That's why we're here today, to talk about. We need to talk about how parents aren't able to put food on the table and how promises were made that that would be a focus this year or this–by the gov­ern­ment and nothing has been done. And that is im­por­tant.

      We need to talk about putting food on tables of families who are hungry and not­–having to go to use those food banks. That's what we should be talking about. Can we talk about that?

      I would encourage the members opposite to talk about some of the situations that are happening right now and come up with some solutions on how we can make this more affordable for every single Manitoban, including those mothers and those fathers who are struggling.

      We need to talk about industries and busi­nesses who are being affected by tariffs and nothing's being done. We need to talk about that. We need to talk about why they bring in a tax on equip­ment and when industry can't even buy the equip­ment because they're on work share.

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      Like, those are the things we need to talk about here. And I just want to bring to the attention that there's industries all over our province who have five, six hundred employees who are concerned they might not be able to keep their doors open. And that's families with no income. That's families who are not sure what'll happen. There's families right now that are on work share and their incomes are half of what they're used to, and it's Christmas.

      This is an im­por­tant issue, and I would encourage that we take this seriously. This is some­thing that we need to talk about in an honest way. Things have changed. This year, things have changed. We need to address how we can make things better, not just talk about past, like, ridiculous issues.

      And I just want to bring forward that, Manitoba, we are suffering. We are falling behind all of the rest of the provinces across Canada. We need to talk about that. We need to talk about how we can help support, from the ground up, industries, families.

      We need to talk about how a parent with a car–without a car gets help from the tax–gas tax. How does that actually–I'd like to hear the member opposite talk about that, how that gas tax holiday helped the woman down my street who doesn't own a car and can hardly pay her bills. I want to know how that tax helped them. I'd love to hear that.

      Those are the things we need to talk about. We need to have honest con­ver­sa­tions, and I would encourage that happen today. We need to talk about the things we can do to make sure that we are watching affordability, across the board, for every Manitoban who is struggling this time of the year.

      Thank you.

Hon. Mike Moroz (Minister of Innovation and New Technology): I am pleased to rise today to talk about this reso­lu­tion and to put a few words on record, not just about the work that we've done so far on strengthening the economy, on supporting Manitoba busi­nesses, but also to look to the future: what we can do here in Manitoba in order to extend the breadth of the economy into new areas.

      And here, I get an op­por­tun­ity to talk about the great work that's happening in my de­part­ment. Apologies to my friends from Lac du Bonnet and Riding Mountain who were subjected to elements of this speech the other day–thank you for not heckling at that time; please extend that courtesy again today–but I want to cover some of the work that we've done.

      I grew up in a–on a farm in northern Alberta, and you were always full of hope in the spring. You put the seed in the ground, and you know, or hope, that eventually in–over the course of the summer that it will bear product that you can then take to market. That's very much what my de­part­ment, frankly, does: Innovation and New Tech­no­lo­gy.

      As the very first Manitoba Minister of Innovation and New Tech­no­lo­gy, I'm really proud to be able to stand today and talk about the work that we're engaged in. My de­part­ment is focused on a number of very clear priorities: innovation, research, excellence in AI and cybersecurity, as well as building our digital infra­structure so necessary to ensure that we can take full  advantage of the infor­ma­tion economy. Canadian econ­o­my itself is, of course, at a turning point, but Manitoba is strategically placed to play a key role in shaping its future.

      When the de­part­ment was created a little over a year ago, we were dedi­cated entirely to innovation, research, digital transformation, tech­no­lo­gical adop­tion–not just within gov­ern­ment, but across the entire province. I've always believed that the path to better is different, so we've leaned into that mindset here in my de­part­ment. We've embraced it.

      We've adopted a very non-traditional gov­ern­ment approach, and that is: find the path to yes–to work with researchers, work with innovators, work with entrepreneurs. Their ideas may not be ready for prime time today, but we want to work with them as partners to ensure that they're able to get there.

      A year into the mandate, we've attacked our work with focus and with great purpose. And I want to walk through a number of the areas in which we've made progress, that will build our economy out in time.

      For example, we're working to overhaul and enhance our research and innovation ecosystems; to  strengthen IP creation and pro­tec­tion; and to find ways to accelerate start‑ups on their journey from con­cept to commercialization. A $5‑million budget‑year increase to Research Manitoba is evidence of our commit­ment to ensuring success in this area.

      What's more, we're leveraging private venture capital off the sidelines and into the game to better support founders as they travel that path. Our broadening of the Small Busi­ness Venture Capital Tax Credit has made a huge difference in engaging the venture capital com­mu­nity.

      We're also developing a strategy to ensure data sovereignty in an age of growing inter­national uncertainty. In an attention-driven economy, nothing is more valuable than data. And let's be honest: our data isn't actually in the cloud. It's on someone else's computer, and where that computer is located, what they might do with it if it's not protected by Canadian law, matters more now than it ever has.

      Additionally, as part of that work, we're finalizing our data centre road map, ensuring that we maximize the economic dev­elop­ment op­por­tun­ities that can be realized when gov­ern­ment and the private sector actu­al­ly work together.

      In Manitoba, that meant using our low‑cost clean energy to build the strategic part­ner­ships necessary between innovators, industry and academia to create the compute capacity required to power a sus­tain­able, value‑added economy.

      My de­part­ment is also working across the whole of gov­ern­ment to find new data usage op­por­tun­ities, while at the same time ensuring Manitobans enjoy the strongest individual data rights pro­tec­tions found anywhere.

      And finally, we're working with the federal gov­ern­ment–a change in the case of Manitoba–working with the federal gov­ern­ment to ensure that all Manitobans, no matter where they live, have reliable access to the digital infra­structure they need to be full parti­ci­pants in the economy.

      It's clear to everyone that we leave economic growth on the table every single day in which that isn't the case. But that requires working in part­ner­ship.

      Hon­our­able deputy Speaker, I also want to high­light that in May, working with the Premier (Mr. Kinew), we were able to task former BlackBerry founder Jim Balsillie, who has deep family roots in Manitoba, to join a group of leading Manitobans as chair of our innovation and prosperity com­mit­tee.

      Their task was to take a clear‑eyed look at both the op­por­tun­ities and challenges facing Manitobans as it develops its digital economy. That work was completed late in October, and I'm in­cred­ibly grateful for the work of Jim and the other com­mit­tee members.

      I want to high­light that while that panel's work was both far reaching and com­pre­hen­sive, its overarching objective is clear and relatable: Make Manitoba a place where the impulse to innovate is a prov­incial mindset, where ideas are developed to have maximum economic and social impact, and where tech­no­lo­gy serves people, not the other way around.

      So what does that mean in practical terms? Well, it means supporting AI and tech socialization and adoption in busi­nesses of all sizes. To that end, we've invested–

The Acting Speaker (Rachelle Schott): When the matter is again before the House, the member will have two minutes remaining.

      The hour being 12 noon, the House is recessed and stands recessed until 1:30.

CORRIGENDUM

On December 2, 2025, page 299, first column, the second through fifth paragraphs should have read:

      NPI is a value-added agriculture processer that takes soybean meal and adds value to it and ships it across the entire world. That company–the owner of that company–has now moved to British Columbia since our conversation. That's where his personal residence is and he has no issue with me talking about that on the floor of this–[interjection]

The Deputy Speaker: Order.

Mr. Narth: –House, because of the frustration of the lack of business acumen of this government.

      So he's now moved his residence and his family to British Columbia. Guess what's coming next? The millions of dollars that he was going to invest in that Law-Marot big fancy new grain dryer and processing piece of equipment in Blumenort, Manitoba. He's going to take that because he's got over $1 million invested in Blumenort, Manitoba that now is col­lecting dust and it's going to need to be scrapped or sold to another province.



LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA

Thursday, December 4, 2025

CONTENTS


Vol. 12a

ORDERS OF THE DAY

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Second Readings–Public Bills

Bill 222–The Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Speed Limits on Provincial Roads)

Narth  381

Questions

Oxenham   383

Narth  383

King  383

Bereza  383

Debate

Pankratz  384

King  386

Loiselle  388

Bereza  390

Blashko  391

Resolutions

Res. 1–Affordability and the Economy

Narth  392

Questions

Pankratz  394

Narth  394

Cook  394

Hiebert 395

Debate

Moses 396

Cook  398

Brar 399

Hiebert 400

Moroz  401